Winners and Losers 2010…

We, as Gooners, can sometimes become very introspective and risk standing accused of navel gazing, by our predilection for only considering Arsenal matters. Well, nothing wrong with a bit of navel gazing you might think, depending on whose navel is involved!
It might be interesting however, to have a look around at other events, over the week-end, involving the other PL clubs and how they got on.

Certainly we cannot let pass, without comment, the first opportunity to have a smirk at the Spuds, for being so downright awful against “mighty” Wigan. Twitchy’s face was a picture after the game, and would have been worth the admission money on its own.
I know, I know, last season we blew a 2:0 lead, ourselves, against Wigan, but we were a tired team dispirited and crippled by injuries at the dog end of the Premier League campaign.

But this is a new bright and breezy start to the Premier League and the Flash Harrys’ have dropped a mighty clanger by going down 1:0, at home to Wigan, after a well taken Rodallego goal.
(Wasn’t he linked with a transfer to us during most of the summer?)

Amazingly, Wigan had just lost two home games, by conceding 10 goals and scoring 0. This result and the money generated by the Spuds qualifying, just, for the group stages of the Champions League might mean ‘Arry the “wheeler dealer” having the purse strings loosened a bit. We will see.

Sadly, the Chavs and the Mancs had an easy time of it and rolled over Stoke and West Ham with ease. Worryingly the Chavs have now scored 14 goals in three games without conceding. Not a good sign.
West Ham collapsed all too easily, against the Mancs, with a gutless display, losing 3:0 and I think they are already worthy relegation candidates. Set against such a weak effort from the Hammers, Manure played exhibition football, and there is no denying they will remain a threat to us this season.

Watching the Sunderland v Citeh game, we saw the earliest contender for miss of the season. Carlos Tevez missed a stunningly easy goal scoring opportunity, which in the end probably cost Citeh the game. Sunderland won a slightly controversial penalty in the final seconds of injury time and the spot kick was put away, with aplomb, by Dodgy Darren Bent.
Rather like the Wigan result, the Black Cats victory came right out of the blue, after Citeh’s easy 3:0 win over the ‘Pool last weekend.
Ironically, the unlikely victors, Wigan and Sunderland play each other at the JJB after the international break. Poor home form against, usually, poor away form.

Blackpool have had a topsy turvy start to the season, with a great win at Wigan which was then followed by a crushing defeat at the Emirates. This time, they raced into a 2:0 lead, at Bloomfield Road, in a really exciting game, only for Fulham to force their way back to a 2:2 draw, although refereeing decisions again were an issue, especially from the Blackpool viewpoint.

Bolton Wanderers also staged a dramatic two goal come back to snatch a draw at Birmingham, despite being down to 10 men, after Jaaskelainan gave Johnson a playful love tap on the cheek. Big Eck was not best pleased but he is fast becoming Purple Nose mark II, whereas Owen Coyle was beside himself with joy and no doubt relief.

Aston Villa, after a nightmare 6:0 defeat, at home, to Newcastle, last week, managed a low-key 1:0 win over disappointing Everton, following a beautifully taken Luke Young curler. In fairness, Everton could have easily won but just could not convert their chances.

Aaah!

The ‘Pool managed a somewhat streaky 1:0 win over West Brom, courtesy of a Fernando Torres bouncy, mishit shot that bamboozled the keeper. Typical!
Wolves were held to a draw by a surprisingly competitive Newcastle side, after a goal by the old-fashioned, centre forward Andy Carroll, who is proving very effective at PL level.

I cannot finish this summary without a reminder of the Mighty Arsenal’s efficient, professional and frankly easy win over “cement mixer mouth” Fat Sam’s Blackburn.

So what can we make of all this? Well, it is very early to start making predictions, you might think, but I cannot see past Chelski, Manure and Arsenal, not necessarily in that order, as the top three. West Ham, Stoke (hurray) and West Brom are looking convincing bottom sliders and I would be very surprised to see much change in that come May 2011.

So come on, what do you think? What would be your top three? What would be your bottom three?

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AnnisaRamsey
AnnisaRamsey
15 years ago

well, I think, top 3 are : Arsenal, Chelsea, and Manchester United again..
and the bottom 3 are : wigan, aston, and manchester city .. 🙂

AnnisaRamsey
AnnisaRamsey
15 years ago

afternoon in here rico 🙂
yeayy.. it will be so cool 😀

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Morning RA, Rico, AR, et al,

nice post RA, you’re really getting pretty good at this, and I loved the introspective naval gazing… just put my back out 😆

I’d go for Chelski, Arsenal, Manure, in that order since yesterday’s debacle, and Blackpool West Brom, and West Ham, at the other end; you pick which end’s which.

Cheer up Rico, I hear Almunia just borrowed a pair of Rob Green’s oversized gloves 😆

AnnisaRamsey
AnnisaRamsey
15 years ago

Indonesia.. you know, there’s many gooners in here 🙂
Im sorry, I cant talk much.. I cant speak in english well,

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Rico,
there I have to agree… he should have either gone out and spent the money or left well alone…

I didn’t happen to think that MS was any better than Almunia, but now we have a demoralised keeper, who wasn’t all that great to begin with.

All depends on Almunia,I guess, and his attitude to it all; it could be the making or breaking of him…

Only time, and Drogba, will tell 😆

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Looks like Popov just Popped off 😆

Mind you, he probably took one look at Fat Sam and the charm of Blackburn and immediately booked his passage back to Sofia.

T-buzz
T-buzz
15 years ago

I like that post R.A

Morning all

If I had my way (emphasis on “IF”):
Top
Red Army
Villa
Everton

Bottom
Spurz
Citeh
Chavs
🙂

On a serious note:

Chav
Red Army
Mancs
(Citeh 4th)

Bottom
West Ham
Blackpool
Wigan

🙁

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Morning Rico, MikeB and AnnisaRamsey,

Well cheer up guys, it’s all there to play for. 🙂

Now that might explain the comment by you Rico (7:26) that WATH is a liability. Tut tut! 🙂

As for MikeB, I write about “navel” and he writes about “naval”. Freudian slip, sailor? 😉

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Morning T-Buzz,

Liked your “if” too. 🙂

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

RA,
I was talking about oranges 😆
and I was in the RAF…

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

If I had a penny for every attractive woman who told me that, Rico, I might have tuppence by now! 🙂

MikeB, thought I had you but that’s a nice get out. 🙂

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

RA,
not really a get-out, but I shall take the fact that you found it sufficiently noteworthy to point out as a compliment 😆

T-buzz
T-buzz
15 years ago

Morning guys, 8)
Sorry, having a busy day at work so my replies are going to be few and far between.

Yeah Rico, Grant looks like a dead man walking cos the players dont look like they want to play for him unlike when Zola was there! Good uck to ’em.

Catch ya in a bit y’all! 🙂

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

morning all. it’s done, so time to move on. last night and this morning i have seen lots of moaning and bile directed at arsene – on other sites – because he did not buy a goalkeeper while the window was open. everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i am with the majority in that i think we should have improved the position (prior to the start of the season). but, for whatever reason, we didn’t and so i cannot see much point in putting ourselves through all this angst and heartache. it’s done, time to move on and support our team.

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Hi WATH and Oliver,

WATH, as I said I would have tuppence. Rico sussed me out when she asked “that much”? So o.k., until Rico said it I was a virgin, and will always remember my first time! 😉

Oliver, you are right. We need to put it behind us and forget it. There is all to play for, as I keep boringly saying. 🙂

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

ra, i almost have to. the mets have pretty much jacked it in. two feeble, lifeless losses in atlanta, they are pretty much finished for the year now. only arsenal to look forward to at the moment…

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

wath, perhaps. but at the same time, i am not going to pretend that i know everything that actually happened. i think another goalkeeper should have been brought in, as well – but one wasn’t. i am not going to call arsene “guilty” of this or “guilty” of that without knowing more than i do right now – i’ll only work myself up and get frustrated.

now that the window is closed, what we can do is change the number two. i would like to see fab moved away from the first team – the entire club, actually – and either sczcesny (my preference) or mannone given the deputy role. the majority opinion (to which i subscribe) is that sczcesny is the future number one – make him the understudy now, and groom him for it. if sczcesny is as good as we think he may be, al will be supplanted soon enough.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

the fourth word in your second line says it all: assume. of course we are allowed to assume what may or may not have happened, just as we are allowed to get angry over it. i just choose not to – what good will it do? did arsene drop the ball on this one – perhaps…or perhaps not. i do not know either way. what i do know is that i actually know very little about what really happened during the process. were we in for someone else? did another option fall through? we don’t know. i have my opinions on certain issues regarding our squad – but opinions are all they are.

that said, i do not begrudge you your right to feel frustrated and annoyed that we failed to bring in another goalkeeper. i just choose to deal with it a different way. at the end of the day, whether i get upset or not, the club will still be here, will still turn out against bolton a week from saturday.

it may seem arsene only put his eggs in the schwarzer basket because that is all we heard about. phw stated we tabled a bit in may, but during the summer all the talk about this was from hodgson and (particularly) hughes. arsene said little, if anything, about schwarzer. it is possible that there were other actual targets, that, for whatever reason, did not come to fruition. it is just as possible that there were not – the point is that we cannot know for sure.

if we are wrong about sczcesny, then we are wrong. there is only one way to find out. and by that same token, would could have brought schwarzer and he may have turned out to be worse than even fab – unlikely, but still possible. i say make him the deputy and start him in cup fixtures – let him get a taste of first team action before we throw him in a league fixture at old trafford. if he is good enough, we will quickly see, and al will lose his first team place. if he is not ready, let him stay as number two for the time being, get experience and confidence. moving him in as number two gives us a chance to see for ourselves if he is ready before we put the number one jersey on his back. if he is not actually ready, then he won’t have to be demoted, wheras, he would have to be removed from the number one spot if he were moved there first.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

that is how you see it. the way i choose to see it is that he may well have tried to do something, may well have been active in trying to bring someone in, but things – for whatever reason – did not work out. some other blogs seem to impy that he sat on his a**, picking his nose for the entire transfer window – a rather extreme view created to support frustration at the lack of a signing. who knows what actually happened. having actually bid at least once for a keeper, i find it difficult to believe that arsene was “inactive”.

if i had to guess, i would surmise that arsene may want to simultaneously groom sczcesny for the number one jersey, whilst attempting to salvage what is left of fab. with that in mind, perhaps he was looking for specific qualities (possibly commanding presence, can effectively deal with crosses), rather than a specific player. i suspect that he felt only a specific-type keeper would complement/upgrade what he already has, so he may not have cast a wide net. transfer fee, availability, willingness of other clubs to do businesss all may have played a factor. if he views sczcesny as long-term number one, then it is reasonable to assume that he would view any inbound keeper as a short-term solution, and may not have wanted to be held to ransom for one.

mind you, that is only what i suspect. could have a few grains of truth there, or it could be 180 degrees out from reality. as always, there is so much we don’t know about what actually happened. too much of it for me to suggest that arsene was inactive or irresponsible to during the window.

by all means, criticize. i think i have constructively criticized arsene in that i am on record say that we should have brought a keeper during this window. regardless of sczcesny’s potential, or how good fab is in training, the problems of last season are not so easily forgotten. three of our back four (and all of our midfield) have played with both keepers and i suspect there is still some distrust there. but no keeper was brought in, for reasons i do not know. i’ll withold anything stronger than constructive criticism until it is confirmed that arsene was actually negligent. and my definition of negligent in this case is arsene not actually making an effort to bring a goalkeeper in.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

hi rico, i have also stated several times previously that i think gerry peyton is a big part of our problems – i am sure he is a nice bloke and it is nothing personal, but last season our keepers made the same mistakes and had very similar deficiencies. who is supposed to help them get over these things? i can get frustrated that arsene did not bring a better goalkeeper coach in, i thought that was absolutely imperative. we’ll have to see how it goes.

if it were up to me, there are better, more experienced keepers who may have been available, and who would have been better than schwarzer: jerzy dudek (real madrid) and frank rost (hamburg sv) are two who come to mind. but perhaps they – and others – are not as available as i think?

bottom line is that we didn’t get anyone else in. frustration and irritation will make us blame arsene for this. i am witholding blame until i actually know he was negligent. as long as he made an honest effort to bring someone in – and i have no objective reason to think he didn’t – then i can comfortably put this behind me and move on. my choice.

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico,

Probably for the first time I disagree with you.

I watched Arsene on ATVO clearly saying he had funds available to buy players, but that other clubs were simply not interested in selling.

He also joked wryly, that he had been up into the small hours trying to clinch deals, and that he did not find it a pleasant experience.

I do not know any more than the next person, but I think much more went on in the background than we will ever know, and to criticise Arsene without this knowledge is something I find difficult.

Apart from that, I think you are wonderful! 🙂

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico,

I think I have stunned two sites into silence at the same time, with much the same comment.

I’m getting my coat! 🙂

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

wath, i don’t know that. it is easy enough to think so, seeing what is in front of us. but there is so much more that is not in front of us. emotion (specifically frustration) is what is influencing some of us to think that arsene had only a single target, and messed this up. perhaps that is actually what happened, but for all we know, he had several targets, worked overtime to secure at least one, and was thwarted for one reason or another, in each case. some will call that premise ridiculous, but is it really impossible? why? because arsene did not actually sign a goalkeeper and all the public discussion centered on schwarzer? all that proves is a deal is not a completed and we had a concrete interest in schwarzer. it does not, by itself, disprove the suggestion that there were other targets our club actually tried to secure. we will probably never know what actually happened, but i am not going to tar arsene with the lack of foresight and ambition brush just because a signing did not materialize – there are too many other potential factors to say with certainty that nothing happened because arsene couldn’t be bothered to make a serious attempt or have a plan b.

at the end of the day, everyone has their opinion on what happened and why. i think i have already quoted anais nin at least once on avenell road, but i am quite fond of this statement: “we do not see things as they are, we see them as we are.”

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

rico, i would even settle for john lukic as our gk coach.

mad jens would be yet better – but i doubt al would enjoy working with him.

i think your comment reveals why many are frustrated: spuddies signed pletikosa as gk cover, they have now completed the van der vaart signing. perhaps many see the spuddies active in the market, and wonder why we are not. perhaps many feel that we are standing still while they are spending to improve.

undoubtedly they got two good players, international quality. yet that is no guarantee either will be a good fit for them. in fact, if any team can mess something like this up, it is that lot.

pletikosa was obviously available, but that does not necessarily mean he would have been a good fit for us. i have seen him play for croatia on occasion, and he seemed competent. but expect that arsene and our scouts have seen much more of him – perhaps they see weaknesses that we are not aware of or think he will not actually be an upgrade over our current goalkeepers we have. would you wish arsenal to sign a goalkeeper because you think that player is better than what we have, yet the arsenal staff seemingly do not think so? i know i would much prefer arsenal to act according to their judgement, not mine. i am good at a few things, but scouting world-class footballers and making actual squad decisions is not one of them.

again, i am not saying this is the case, but i think it is a possibility.

let’s look long-term for a moment: if sczcesny ousts al as our number one and leads up to the league title, how will we feel about not signing anyone this window? in that case, i think i would be quite glad, as a new goalkeeper may well have blocked sczcesny’s progress. i am not saying that will happen, but we do not know how this will unfold. perhaps the opposite will happen, arsene will stick with al and fab, and repeated gk clangers will scupper our silverware chances this season. if it does, it does. unfortunately, too many are acting like this season has already played out with the latter scenario.

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Spuds just confirmed VdV purchase… is that corrupt or what?

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Rico,
not true… we got the paperwork in on time; it just took a while to process…
Spuds missed the deadline and still get dispensation… that’s wrong

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

rico, that is also my point – we don’t know how this will play out and there is certainly a chance that those two will cost us something. but since we cannot change the fact that no new goalkeeper is coming in, we can at least not stew over this and not act as though the worst-case has already happened before this actually plays out.

that al and fab are not great goal keepers is not in dispute – their respective bodies of work sufficiently bear this out. but i am not going to rush to suggest that arsene did not attempt to improve this just because a signing was not made. pletikosa was clearly available, but if our staff felt that he would not win us games that al and fab lost, and may even impede sczcesny’s progress, that i don’t mind that we didn’t sign him. if what acutally happened was someone was asleep at the wheel, leading to us missing out on him and others, then yes, i certainly have a problem with that. but not signing a keeper is not automatic evidence that the latter happened, so i will not adopt that line of thinking.

transfer window is closed, we cannot change what (did not) happen, all we can really do is express our opinions, vent (if so inclined) and see how this plays out.

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Rico,
they’re now saying there was a deluge of paperwork prior to the deadline… absolute rubbish. If that was the case why approach the PL for dispensation?

Nothing to do with the player; I happen to think he’s overrated. It’s all to do with doing the right thing and everyone following the same rules.

Wheeler-dealer Harry again, I guess.

Got me madder than hell!

Then again… does that mean we can now go out and get a GK? 😆

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

as would i. move fabianski out of the first team picture and make sczcesny the number two. start him in cup matches, including post-(ko round)qualification group stage cl matches (the “meaningless ones”), see how he handles these. if he progresses, start easing him into prem fixtures, and if he handles those ok, start easing al out. i think we are wasting time if we keep fab as our number two. i could make a case of mannone, who i thought deserved more of an opportunity than he got last year, but it sczcesny is going to be our guy, then it has to be him.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

Hola, how depressing is this? Almunia is staying, and VDV is off to the Spuds. I feel physically ill…

RA, I was too intent on our transfer (non)activities, I completely forgot to keep tabs on the other teams. And I woke up to news of VDV to the Totts. Ick.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

I know, rico. And I woke up reeeally early (for me at least) all beside myself for some eleventh hour miracle… And Almunia still mans the keep. Sighs.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

VDV is not crap, WATH. He is creative, has good ball control, and he links up well with Robin, too. Oh, and he is– rico will agree with me– cute. 😉

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

rico, hahaha. Very, very funny. I was so appalled at that piece of news, I spent the morning feeling all morose and hard done by. How could I have not??

As for D&D, I have very little expectations, so I’m bound not to be disappointed. Or maybe, the more accurate thing to say is that I have become so used to disappointment, I find much to celebrate when Denilson passes forward or when Diaby manages not to lose the ball in the final third.

Ha. I am right ray of sunshine today. 🙁

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

I have, I thought, successfully, evaded mention of VDV’s extended stays at the treatment room…

It’s galling to the nth that he’s going to the Totts. Ick to infinity. WATH, you just have to let us mourn this. Haha. 😉

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

You’re easy to convince, rico. 🙂 And you haven’t even been plied with drink. 🙂 😉 🙂

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

What happened to VdV’s medical? While it sounds to me as though you girls would be happy to volunteer, I didn’t see anything about it.

Maybe you could still put in an application 😆

If the stories are true and they only started negotiating terms three hours before the deadline, then what happened to the checks?

Wouldn’t it be terrible if he has a problem 😆

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

Oh no, one mentions puppies, and another speaks of playing nurse. rico, you handle this. 🙂

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Ok Folks,

all this talk of nurses and medicals has got me over excited…

I’m off for a crate of Rioja.

Talk tomorrow; have a good one

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

rico, I missed that, must be mine eyes are brimming!!!

I’d be happy to leave you to do that medical by your happy lonesome… but I want tickets to an Affelay-Van der Wiel meet and greet. Haha.

mikeB
mikeB
15 years ago

Rico,
I only said one crate… I’ll see you then.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

WATH, you’re marginally more perceptive today than usual. 😉

Just now, I was debating the merits of having some GG v. attending a morning meeting, lucid and in full possession of my mental faculties, since all the deliverables are expected to be delivered by me. 🙂

Good night, mikeB; enjoy your Rioja.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

rico, Erick might know where rose is. They used to talk before and Weeds was always on his best behavior. 🙂 🙂 Must have been trying to impress her and all that. Haha.

agirlagunner
agirlagunner
15 years ago

Red Arse, you did not come back. 🙁

Good night, rico and WATH! 🙂 Be safe. Behave. 😉

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico,

Can I come back now? 🙂

Send Agag a copy of that email I gave you, that might lift her mood! 🙂

WATH, you still naughty! 😉

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico, you can bet your hornswaggling ass it was! 😉

Experienced “connection” issues this p.m., so helped to keep my head down whether I needed to or not! 🙂

Seems BT WiFi gets sprayed around where I live and causes me hassle. It has never been my beautiful laptop, named Rico2, at all. 🙂

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Everyone’s gone home.

Don’t let the bugs bite. 🙂

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

i am here also…

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

enjoy rico. tomorrow then.