No JET, no Vela, no Tomas but we risked an unfit Cesc and Robin, how stupid was that!!

I’m still feeling pretty raw over the way we performed on Sunday and after chewing the cud, some of the players Wenger played makes little sense. Robin van Persie was risked as we know and yesterday it became clear that Cesc Fabregas was a bit of a risk too.

Wenger on RVP –

We pushed him in too early because I had to do something. You saw it was very difficult for us to score a goal and there is always a set-piece or a cross or a pass where he can make a difference.

It is a plus to have Van Persie back but you can see he is not ready.

So why did Wenger include van Persie in the squad when he clearly isn’t 100% fit?

Where was Carlos Vela? Where was Jay Emmanuel-Thomas and why didn’t a fit Tomas Rosicky come on instead of risking Robin van Persie?

Well, I’ll tell you where JET was, he was gearing himself up for yesterday afternoon’s reserves game. A game which saw him score two goals, the second being described as outstanding… The reserves beat Everton 4-1 and at home!!

And, where was Carlos Vela? He’s not listed as injured…..

Then there was Cesc Fabregas…..

Cesc say’s

The good news is there is no tear on the hamstring, nothing. It’s just a little bit of fluid, but it keeps coming back. It’s outside the muscle, the ‘skin’ of the muscle. It’s not really a muscle injury, it’s fluid that keeps coming back and it’s very annoying.
We are working on it, looking at my hips because they are always very tight. We have to work on it but also understand that I am 23-years-old and I’ve played many, many games.

Soon I will play my 200th Premier League game as well as nearly 60 for the national team and 60 in the Champions League. So that’s a lot of games for my age and I have to take care of myself.

Nasri, Rosicky and even Wilshere could have played alongside Song, in fact the youngest of the three was one of the better players against Newcastle, he obviously loves the club he plays for and doesn’t need to be motivated. He is a true professional and puts in a good shift every time he dons his shirt. Nasri seems to be similar; he has grown and is clearly enjoying playing…

There was little reason to risk Cesc, in fact playing him was more detrimental to the team’s performance in my opinion he was so poor.

We have a squad, why the heck don’t we use it when we need to…..

Tomorrow could be interesting…..

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W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

About time too 😛

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

agreed

how things ?

RG Action
RG Action
15 years ago

Indeed Vela wasn’t listed as injured, but he was listed as rubbish

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Afternoon Rico, 🙂

Crikey, WATH and RSD both on at the same time! 🙂

I wish AW would show as much confidence in JET as he has shown in JW. It could be very worthwhile.

You know I have been watching the youth teams for about 5 years, including attending matches when poss. You will also know that I find AW’s belief in Eastmond unfathomable. Well, in the same way I saw 4 years ago had brilliant Jack was, I also thought the tall skinny JET, who has now developed his physique was equally brilliant. He should play! To quote WATH, “end of”.

Another one who is just as good and possibly better than both JW and JET is Chuks Anneke. Just watch this space! 🙂

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Don’t you mean me RSD and you RA seems your here even less than me cos your off on your blog travels lol 😀
We now have a few players knocking on the door and yet AW ain’t playing them, Lansbury a prime example of a player who gets stuck in give effort has attitude and loves the shirt, more than a fair few on sunday. oh and yeh end of 😀

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

RA it JET attitude
sometimes he just not bothered

even AW said it about him “if he wants it enough”

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Maybe we’ll see Chuks in CC at home v Wigan..?

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

did you see afobe v cambridge? tough game for him but had a good second

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

I thought Tom Cruise was filming mission impossible 4 and yet he found time to play 4 Carlisle at the weekend 2………. Impressive..!

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

WATH,

I think AW might be trying to keep the wraps on Chuks, like he originally did with Jack, so I don’t suppose he will play him.

I would do a Kevin Keegan and “loove it, really loove it” if he got a game. 🙂 End of! You see what a bad influence you are on me? 🙂

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Rico, clearly far to many of these youngsters think they have made it with a 5yr contract and not even a first team game… All about hunger and attitude and wanting to play yet seems most happy to go through the motions maybe..?

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

RA me a bad influence, never…………. End of..!

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Good day to you all, especially you Lady of The House.
A tend to agree with several of the younger players having attitude problems but as we discussed yesterday are they not wrapped in cotton wool far to early and pampered as superstars when yet to prove they are even worth a chance in an Arsenal shirt?.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

lansbury def needs more games and a chance on teh bench for sure Rico…!

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

RSD,

I did watch Benik play and he did not get too many chances, but you watch him go when he gets used to his team mates.

I think what AW said about JET was in the context of “he can be anything he wants (in football) it depends on how much he wants it”.

He wants it alright, but getting so much money so young, he wants to spend it and show off. I think Arsene meant he needs to be more disciplined of the pitch and not take lessons from the likes of Andy Carroll and shag for England. (Personally, I think I’d prefer to ….., but enough of that!) 🙂

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Sorry, I’ll cruise off like a missile then. . . . . 😛

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Anyone who enjoys stuffing the yids should get a game in my book 😉

RB10
RB10
15 years ago

Completely agree!! Jet is on fire and to my knowledge is playing in the right wing position that Theo currently holds. I just think 4-5-1 at home doesn’t suit us.

It may look like 4-3-3 but we know teams will sit deep so it’s far more beneficial to put on an extra striker.

Whilst I didn’t mind seeing RVP come on (he did show some neat touches and looked to open them up a few times) I’d have much prefereed to see him come on to play upfront with Chamahk who is our best in the air from an attacking position. RVP could whip balls into him and support the front man better than Cesc who probably had his worst game for Arsenal.

JET is quality and needs a run out massively _ Denilson, Djourou and Fabianski did less than JET in their spell in the reserves but managed to get full run outs. I’d like to see him involved on Wednesday he must be buzzing plus he would link up fantastically well with Wilshire (both won the youth academy and FA youth Cup together).

I think at home we need to have 2 strikers on the pitch with 4 in midfield (not necessarily wide men but four ball playing midfielders who can create and dictate the game.

Team for Wolves 4-4-2

Szezza

Eboue
Clichy
Djourou
Squillaci

Wilshire
Song
Nasri
Cesc

Chamakh
Walcott

Subs
Fabianski
Sagna
JET
Bendtner
Rocisky
Vela
RVP

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

No argument from me there House Lady, they need to be cleaning boots and sweeping the north bank and learing the meaning of what it’s like to be a pro footballer, that seems to of been lost in the last decade or so with all this money pouring in from Sky and tv right and sponsors etc etc..!. I agree with WATH on the Lansbury call as well anyone who enjoys beating those neandethols down the rd should be playing a lot more

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

WATH,

Did you say you are off to cruise? 🙂

Oddly enough, Tom Cruise has said he wants to become a star name. Is that humour or naivety? Either way I hope he succeeds.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Hey Sammy, keeps those shorts on fella 😀 Now you talking, get the youth team and reserves to sweep the bowl out after every home game, that’ll beat swanning off in their brand new Porsche…! Don’t know they born..!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

I’m always crusing RA, you told me all the top places to go……!

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

re too much to soon see sanchez watts penthouse on twitter jesus http://yfrog.com/go9u4j

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Sssh, WATH, 🙂

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

WATH my good man, alas the NB is no more to show of my rear, I will indeed keep the shorts on at my age i’d scare many a person.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

RB10, we were saying the very same thing on here yesterday that the formation just does not suit us or work for us.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

I agree with all this formation bollox….. Attack and defend properly and what exactly is all this 451 433 442 crap its making a game complicated again, adult players should know exactly what to do and where and when… End of 😉

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

I know a few others who used to clean boots and sweep out the dressing rooms and that wasn’t a million moons ago either…! Pampered is the word for sure AND overpaid…!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
15 years ago

Am off for a bit got a meeting to go to and NO Rico it’s not in a pub……………

Its a wine bar 😛

Lata all………….

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Excellent comment WATH, as said we were discussing the merits of the numbers formation yesterday and I for one think far to much is made out of it as well. Players need to think and behave and take the responsibility on the pitch to alter things and a formation should never be set or rigid.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

A man after my own heart, enjoy your tipple WATH.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Sky have a lot to answer for Rico!

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

standard of footie got better tho

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Howdy people whats up

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

I’m merely being polite Rico as you are The Lady of The House.

Sky creates it’s own aura of saving English football and yet they are resposible for making it the money machine that it has become at the expense of the man on the street.

leebo
leebo
15 years ago

Wenger’s screwed up again. He can’t handle the pressure his decision making is awful always has been. Rosicky should be livid, hes playing the best football of his time at Arsenal and doesnt get a look in, disgrace.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

RSD, yes I will agree with you that the standard of football has improved but would that not of happened anyway with the fact the financial bubble was due to burst in Italy anyway ? Far to many ifs n buts so we will never know.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

much been said about the loss but in all fairness that was one of our strongest squad in a while and Aw did the subs earlier than i expected him to but to bring on RVP was a sign of desperateness Rosicky was cleary the best option to change the game especiallyu with his directness

geoff reid
geoff reid
15 years ago

Jet will leave and become a great forward somewhere else.

Steve
Steve
15 years ago

I might be a lone voice here but I would also have played JD on Sunday. He may have looked a little rusty at times recently but I think he is the best defender we have fit in the aerial battles. I know that Fabianski has had all the flak for Newcastle’s goal but I would suggest that if you give the best ‘centre-forward’ currently in the EPL a free header he will score against any goalkeeper.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

Howdy all.if you believe the media Sonia got Tatar-ed by the cunning fox.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

morning all. i cannot say i am surprised that arsene is risking long term injuries to key players by bringing them back before they are ready – hugely disappointed that he still does this, but not surprised.

oh, for a strong number two. someone that will not simply sit there and drink arsene’s kool aid. someone that will serves as a conscience of sorts, and ask him “is this really a good idea?” “why don’t we try this instead?”…

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Steve spot on mate i do not blame Fab for that goal at all people are just looking for an excuxe and am surprised AW seem to blame Fab

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Steve, Carroll only had a free header because Fabianski clearly called for the ball and then waited for the ball to come to him he hardly jumped to catch the ball at it’s highest point as then not a player on the planet could outjump a keeper with arms at full extention.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

KT and Oliver how are you brothers doing
Oliver its been a while mate
Like you game review keep it up

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

hiya erick…doing fine and thanks for the shout-out…

like rico, i plan to stay well clear of the allegations regarding arsene’s private life. i do not think they had much effect on the team performance, and there is no actual evidence they were a distraction for our manager. besides, it is all alleged at this point…

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

The atmosphere of the Emirates is very poor!i wonder what should be done to improve it since it is such a big stadium…crouch missing a free header and slamming the bar would get the crowd going…any more ideas?

gazzap
gazzap
15 years ago

so the criticism is that Cesc should not have played against Newcastle. surely thats just with the benefit of hindight? Would you start him against Wolves?
Even with all the evidence of Sunday, MOST Gooners would start cesc at molineux.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Rico and sammynelsonsbum am sure you guys have no evidence that Fabianski called for the ball

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

hi rico…agree completely – if he feels that we don’t have enough options in the squad, then he has let us down by not investing in what we need. i can appreciate it is a very difficult balance between having too large or two small a squad. and i am sure arsene abhors having someone waste away on the bench – other than carlos vela perhaps – contributing nothing to the team. he have an over-abundance of players in certain positions (central midfield), yet lack options in defence, particularly the back four. i have long thought our squad’s makeup is unbalanced. when we have injuries to indispensible first team members, we start to see either square pegs in round holes, of half-fit players being needlessly risked because arsene does particularly like his other options.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

Hi gazzap,Erick and oliver.despite cesc’s hammy letting him down he still created our best chances.in the PL only he creates 4.4 chances a game which is the highest.i hope Aw doesn’t take any unnecessary risks with cesc and rvp10 as we need them in the most decisive games.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

of course it is hindsight. when the starting lineups were announced, i thought “good, cesc is fit again”. however, it turns out he was not fit – which makes this a poor decision. i did not know cesc’s status beforehand – but arsene did, and many of us think he took an unnecessary risk with cesc. it’s not like we won the match with a half-fit cesc, is it? i personally think arsene should have known better…and i think many others on this forum share that view.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

KT the atmosphere is another issue never been to the emirates and no where near it but you can tell the away support is always vocal when the camera is passes through to be fair the Emirate need so changes

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Hi Erick, look at Kos and you will see he clearly stops as if he’s had the shout from the keeper, it’s a natural reaction to stop like that and then the replays clearly show him stop start stop start and then try to catch the ball in front of his face, basis error in technique which is what we were chatting about on here yesterday.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

morning k…i was hoping wilshere’s emergence as a creative, first-choice central midfielder meant that we could afford to be more responsible with cesc and his hammy…seems not to be the case. and if cesc is not ready for tomorrow, i would not have him in the squad. for me, it is no choice – someone else has to step up, we should not put cesc at long-term risk by playing him when he is not fit. same with robin – as regards that, now that he made an appearance sunday, i full expect van marwijk to play him at some point next week.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

I have seen some suggestions:throw a spud fan into the crowd,burning spud flags,throwing dead cockrels onto the pitch…

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

Oliver i am puzzled as to why Aw is not playing Rosicky as he is the closest thing to cesc.tomas is one of our most dynamic players and is even more direct than cesc.we have invested alot in his rehabilitation and its time we showed some faith in him.

Arse&Nose©
Arse&Nose©
15 years ago

A fit JET is better than a half-fit RVP.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

not sure what is up with rosicky. when arshavin lost his starting berth, i thought rosicky would start. he is creative, experienced, and unlike much of a squad, has won a major domestic league title (almost a decade ago, with Dortmund)…

perhaps there are more issues with this squad than we realize…

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

I also saw suggestions that Rvp10 will have to fight for his place with chamakh and that he wasn’t needed.rvp may be injury prone but if he is fit he is our best forward hands down.when rvp takes a corner/free kick you anticipate a goal since he has superb delivery unlike now we look hopeless in this sitiuations.watch him take a penalty and you’ll see his unique technique will send it into the top or bottom corner.his first touch is the best in the squad which is very useful in tight areas against park the bus opponents.even against the barcodes he showed this aspect.he also shoots on sight which unsettles defenses…i love Chamakh but he will always be behind a fit rvp10 as he offers much more to the table.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Kt spot on he is a great player i saw people dissing him but i will keep the faith

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Take care guys about to go to class

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

I am wary of JET since his royal pinkiness and Lupoli used to tear up the reserves but look at them now.Aw has a right to be cautious since the gap between the reserves and first team is very big.

The BearMan
The BearMan
15 years ago

A player will have to be extremely lucky to come of the bench, play for 5 or 10 mins and be expected to make an impact in any game. The JET is the player Arsenal is desperately in need of right now.

The JET needs to be given 45 mins then a start for his ability to be let loose. He already understands the Arsenal system of play, and by holding a player back when they are on their best form will only serve to dampen their courage.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

BearMan, I think all players need far more than five minutes to make any kind of impact on a match, I’d say all need to come on for at least the last twenty mins. JET is physically exactly what we want and has very good feet. Maybe time for AW to take the bull by the horns a little.

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Guys with what Aw has been doing of late i wouldnt be suprised to see jet start tomorrow

Erick
Erick
15 years ago

Peace am off

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

Good bye Erick.

SD-London
SD-London
15 years ago

Well i thought you guys knew why he risked RVP;

HE could see everybody on the pitch was not playing well and he got desperate because there was always the possibility of Chelsea dropping points.

Unfortunately his fears were realized, we lost and Chelsea dropped 3 points.

But if RVP had scored or assisted a goal then Wenger would have being a genius.

As for Cesc , Wenger would have asked him if he could play and i am sure Cesc would have said yes ,which obviously was a bad decision.

When things don’t work out , coaches always keep their best players on the pitch even if they are playing badly , they believe they can still do something special even when clearly struggling.

sammynelsonsbum
sammynelsonsbum
15 years ago

SD-L, If his reason for RVP being on the bench was a “what if” then he is desperately clutching at straws amd as Rico said earlier has very little faith in his fringe players. We all know how brittle RVP is and the risk far outweighed the positive of putting him on the bench. AW is a stickler for statistics he would of known Cesc wasn’t fit absolute spupidity to of risked him.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

At least rvp10 had half and hour bringing him closer to fitness.

SD-London
SD-London
15 years ago

Well what i got from Wenger fielding RVP was that RVP is definitely out of injury for probably 2 weeks now but Wenger was just being patient.
If not the Dutch coach wouldn’t have called him if he didn’t know he was fit but definitely he still needed match fitness.

RVP will play tomorrow and play a little in the international then he will be properly match fit by that time.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

SD i hope rvp10 will be close to full fitness by the time we face the spuds since he loves torturing them.

K-TR7
K-TR7
15 years ago

Koscielny ban stands after FA let it stand.he is suspended for two games:molineux and Goodison park.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

i see we lost the koscielny appeal. so now song becomes our backup in the centre. we have to really hope that squillaci and djourou can make it through the wolves and everton fixtures unscathed…

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

tv might be back soon tho so thats their’s decent back up and djourou had his best game of the season v shaktar so looks capable

RSD
RSD
15 years ago

tv might be back soon tho so thats their’s decent back up and djourou had his best game of the season v shaktar so looks capable

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

rico, it was originally only a two match ban. as i understand, a straight red for “violent conduct” gets three matches, while a straight red for anything else – such as “professional foul” gets only two.

i suppose we should be lucky they didn’t increase the ban on the “frivolous” grounds. i don’t think the appeal was “frivolous”, but i was not confident the fa would overturn it either…

SD-London
SD-London
15 years ago

we where going to loose it anyways.

Arsenal just wanted to give them job to do .

I dont think JET would have made any difference on Sunday, he is not ready.

RSD
RSD
15 years ago
oliver
oliver
15 years ago

rsd, we can only hope tv will be back soon…i am not confident that he will be fit anytime soon, and i am now concerned that arsene will be tempted to push things with him as well.

there has been discussion today about risking half-fit, key players. my stance is that – unless there is absolutely no other option (and that indicates an entirely different set of problems) – neither cesc or anyone else should be risked if they are not fully fit. prolonged absences are a chronic problem with this arsenal side – i think arsene’s penchant to err on the side of abandon has been a significant contributing factor. the side clearly loses something when someone like cesc is unavailable. but as we saw on sunday, playing him when not fit takes even more away from the side. what is the point of even having a squad if we are going to play unfit players?

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Oliver, Rico,

The red card offence Kozzer got sent off for had a one match ban.

Because he had been sent off previously, he got an extra one match ban.

If his appeal had been deemed “frivolous”, he would have received another one match ban. Fortunately it was not seen to be so.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

ra, thanks for clarifying that. i saw something mentioning his second red card in the context of two matches. now i understand what that meant.

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico,

You said that as I was arguing with you? To help with the exact wording here we go.

(b) PLAYERS SENT OFF UNDER LAW 12 (7)
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of Play for receiving a second caution in the same match will be suspended automatically from all approved First Team matches commencing forthwith, until such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next match in an approved Competition.

(c) PLAYERS SENT OFF UNDER LAW 12 (4) and (5)
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of Play for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by physical means or by handling the ball, will be suspended automatically from all approved First Team matches commencing forthwith, until such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next match in an approved Competition.

(d) PLAYERS SENT OFF UNDER LAW 12 (6)
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of Play for using offensive or insulting or abusive language/gestures, whether he has previously been cautioned in the match or not, will be suspended automatically from all approved First Team matches commencing forthwith, and until such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next two matches in approved Competitions.

(e) PLAYERS SENT OFF UNDER LAW 12 (1), (2) and (3)
A Player who is dismissed from the Field of play for Violent Conduct, Serious Foul Play or spitting at an opponent or any other person, whether he has previously been cautioned in the match or not, will be suspended automatically from playing football in any match including non-First Team matches commencing forthwith and until such time as his Club’s First Team has completed its next three matches in approved Competitions.

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

There we go, red card bans can be for 1, 2 or 3 matches.

In addition, if in the opinion of the FA disciplinary panel any appeal against a red card ban is deemed frivolous, the tariff will be increased by one match.

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Rico,

I am no expert, of course, but the ability to increase the match ban tariff for serious foul play, is not quite the same thing as the frivolous regulation.

That has nothing to do with the actual offence, but it is to stop a pillock appealing because his mum wants him to kiss a gnome! 🙂

Red Arse
Red Arse
15 years ago

Anyway, Rico, it’s past your bedtime ( 🙂 ) and I need a drinkypoo.

G’nite. Tomorrow.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

spuddies versus mackems tonight…oh joy…

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

spuddys are five points behind, so they won’t leapfrog us, regardless of what happens tonight. still, i won’t deny i would be happy to see steve bruce’s outfit keep them in their place…

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

of course, the mackems are level with the spuddies, so if there is a winner tonight, that side will be only two points behind us going into tomorrow.

more than anything we need to take care of our own business. if we can start winning again, we will keep a healthy distance from those chasing us.

oliver
oliver
15 years ago

rico, i would say that if arsene doesn’t realize how important tomorrow is, then we have a serious, serious problem…