I read this story yesterday and I know it’s done the rounds but not here, yet….
One Season Ticket holder, believed to be in the ArsenalAFCnotPLC group, spoke about this season and our worst start for many and said:
Put simply it is not good enough for Arsenal. We are on a downward spiral and this needs to be addressed.
Arsenal fans love and admire Wenger for what he has done, but that was then, this is now. We need a new face and new impetus, and soon.
What is the point in protesting to get Wenger out right now?
Most of our players right now were bought by Arsene Wenger.
Most of our current crop admire our current manager and will defend him at all cost.
Most are desperate for us to turn our season around.
We cannot deny that things aren’t good right now, Wenger knows it, the players know it and of course all us fan know it.
Don’t think that any of us aren’t suffering from it either.
However, is now the right time to start shouting about any dissatisfaction?
Surely if fans are not happy with what they are seeing, just stay away, because we all know that no bums on seats will speak, and that will tell the story to the board. They in my opinion are the ones who need to wake up and realise that fans are a bit fed up.
Wave the flag if you want, show all the television viewers and media what you think, but in my view, you do that at the detriment of the players and give more fuel to those who like the report the negative through the media and red-tops.
Right now the fans should be making their feelings clear in a different way, hit Stan Kronke where it hurts, rather than wave a ‘Wenger Out’ flag around the ground…..
It will make no difference, Wenger won’t be moved and those fans will be in the minority within the ground.
Fans want the team to pick up and start playing better and get our season back on track, would seeing a ‘Wenger Out’ flag motivate the team?
Don’t forget, should their protest be successful; we will still have the same players….
Yep, the same players who Wenger signed and the same players who signed for Wenger…..
That fan maybe right in what he says but is protesting right now, really the best way to get behind the team?
I’m not so sure….
Just listen to the away fans that go to every ground the team travel to, surely that’s the right way…..
I hope the motors in their cars blow up on the way to ground.
Scumbag,low dogs of “fans” who Arsenal are better off without.
If they claim to be Gooners,they are living in neverneverland.
Bastards,the lot of them.
They must be a travelling roadshow for some media outlets,mercenary protesters.
Get a real job scumbags.
I would rather wave a flag “Usmanov IN” rather than this bullcrap they are praparing. And you are right – the board needs to be hit – by seeing that fans want Usmanov in with money and will to invest in the team Silent Stan may get a wake up call by the sound of that face slap he will be forced to see! Reading all those news we missed on Hazard and Goetze is making me sad – we won’t be soon able to draw in young talents .
Morning all….
lted, i wait for that day too – board out…
Only crap ‘fans’ would protest at this time. Show some support gooners!
Morning Rico, I don’t disagree with what your saying but I also see that fans (including you and me) are not happy with the club and want to have their voices heard rather than the media talking for us. We all know that RVP is pretty much our last world class player and that he will be gone by the end of the season due to the arrogant coach and blind board….what to do!?
If we’re languishing mid table in May then say something, until then all the players and manager need as much support as possible for us to rise up the table.
Morning all, just what the team need right now is a load of negativity from the crowd! What PRICKS!
Morning Sam,
Yes, hence my ending peice that suggests that what is being said is right but my only question is the timing.
If Wenger left/sacked, we would have the same players, players who may be even more annoyed if Wenger now left. Last year, Liverpool were is dire straights, they changed their manager just before the jan transfer window, he made a couple of tweaks with the players he already had and they wizzed up the table….
Hi Dan – add to that, if we are there in May, let us hear from AU, let him tell us what his plans would be for our future if he took over, then just maybe he will be the perfect successor to SS…
Delusional. Kroenke and the board are crippling Arsenal, not Arsene Wenger.
Morning Lee,
I read that the group has very few members, in the hundreds rather than the thousands so they would be a very quiet voice – also read LG’s post just now and it seems the protest maybe put on hold….
Arsenal are on the brink of completing a deal for Spanish wonderkid Jose Rodriguez after agreeing a deal with Real Madrid.
The Spain Under 17 international impressed Arsenal’s chief scout in Spain Francisco Cagigao during the Under 17 world club championship in Madrid when he was voted player of the tournament.
Arsene Wenger already has Jon Miquel Toral and Hector Bellerin, who arrived this summer from Barcelona, and central defender Ignasi Miquel who became a European Champion at Under 19 level with Spain.
And 16-year-old Rodriguez is poised to join them in north London. He spent two days in the capital where he was shown youth team living-quarters and made a firm financial offer that also mapped out his likely progression from the youth side to the reserves and then to a first team debut inside two years.
The player is also understood to have spoken to Cesc Fabregas who advised him to make the move to the Emirates.
players support Wenger, ex-players support him, most of football punditry do but these idiots think they know better and want Wenger out although we couldn’t afford a replacement nowhere near his quality. I wouldn’t be surprised if all this ferment was a job of some Spuds fans, would you?
Zigzag
I am not sure that the theory of them being spurs fans is anywhere near the truth, there are many unhappy fans right now who believe a change is needed, some fresh ideas and a different approach.
It’s their right to be unhappy too, just don’t think protesting during a game is the right way to vent feelings….
Don’t care im protesting i made my mind up I want wenger out end of last season why should I wait til the end of the season I have waiting 6 years that long enough! I ain’t no fake fan I support arsenal and as for you arsene we trust supporters open your eyes will you!
Hell yeah….about time too. Off to read the post…
well we may as well wait to see how rodriguez does before voicing our concerns!!
Morning Andy,
Don’t know if you read HH regulary, if so you would see that most here have our eyes well and truly open, we are not as you suggest ‘in wenger we trust’ – as the post says, the fan is right, it’s just the timing, we are down, we need the side to get going again, would looking into the fans seeing a big red banner wanting wenger out really be what the need right now??
Me personally, i want stan out, AU or a n othehr in, someone who cares about our club, our future, results on the pitch and NOT just clearing our mortgage to line his own pocket…..
morning goonster – you make sure your boss isn’t watching you 😉
joe, buying another 16 year old hardly excites does it, if of course its true….
Anyone who abuses fans who want to protest are dreamers. This has been their line of defence for six years and it doesnt wahs now. Excuses ! excuses and many more.
Aw has outlived his usefulness and he is no longer quality as some suggest. We blame the board all the time, but, if trully it was the problem, AW as his own man whose legacy is being cleared, would he really agree??? Is he that desperate for a job that he will take nonesence from a board when it comes to getting quality players???? AW is the problem and we need to look at it as it is.
If AW cant be assertive with the board, he cant be at the dressing room. This is the bitter truth. He was good a few years back but he is been overtaken by time. I would prefer we do badly this season but sort out our club once and for all. The issues of postponing are gone by and after all , we hae been doing that for the last six years
If you mugs are going to protest then I’m gonna join you on that day and protest against you!! You really want to destroy our club then be prepared that the rest of our loyal support will outnumber you idiots!
Hi DMK & Nick…
Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just telling what is planned by some…
Andy,
Tell us exactly what you’ve been waiting six years for.
FA cups….Wenger gave us that.
Leagues….gave us those too.
Unbeaten season….tick.
New stadium……yep.
Hundreds of millions in debt…..not yet,the “successful” clubs have dibs on that…….
Half hearted,Piss weak supporters…….plenty,so it seems,so i guess Wenger should be held accountable for that.
Arsene isn’t perfect…..but because we see him as our best option,you idiots think we are blind followers.
Name one manager you guarantee will do better.
If you do,you are as arrogant as you are weak.
Rico,Ox was 17 when we got him,and NOBODY suggested he was a good purchase.
2 months later,everyone is lining up to clean his boots.
Actually Scott – someone did and i know that as it was me…. I was chuffed we got Chamberlain, ok i wanted experience too but….
In fact, quite a few bloggers here were pleased we signed him…
No name calling – not here thanks … we respect eachothers views on HH…
Saxekoburg
Go read the the HH rules and try again if you want to join the debate…
As there seem to be a few Wenger sympathisers here (I wasn’t aware there were many any more) can I ask you what you thought of Kroenke’s comment of Wenger having a Job for life at Arsenal? If you agree then who is he accountable to? And finally what would it take you to think about sacking / moving him on?
People, we have seen Managers in PL while about not having funds and how they dream about the big jobs with funds to buy players. Most of those have had opportunities with loads of dos and bought a lot of players,however,they are mostly languishing at the bottom or are out of jobs or at lower level than they were before whining, AW can be assertive and buy players but don’t bet on world class our wage structure doesn’t go that far.And who can bring fresh ideas without a complete change of personal. The squad we have bar a few new ones have been playing together for so long and they are a good team who have hit a blip.The negativity has hit them and they have not experienced this before.please don’t make their lives hell..Best players don’t necessarily make the best team.The players should fit into the style and philosophy of the then Manager.Allardyce at newCastle and W/ham. Do we really want that? And if our squad is that bad,why are there long queues for our players.Don’t follow media hype.Overtime we get a settled team and threaten to do wonders, the predators hover around unsettling our players.That should say a lot to us as fans.Let the players feel wanted and it will show.We got on Eboues case and for all his faults how we could do with him now.Careful what you wish for.
Morning Gooners.
Great post Rico, certainly got everyone excited.
Now if you guys could take that enthusiasm, into the stadium and get behind the team instead of moaning about 6 years trophyless, then we might bloody win something.
Protesting is waste of time.
wenger haters 2000 WENGER SUPPERTERS 2 MILLION
WE DONT WANT PEOPLE WHO DE STABILISE THE CLUB I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD STAND UP AND SHOW THEM THERE NOT WANTED AT OUR CLUB
Sam, I want the man who promises Wenger his job out, and the sooner the better
Morning AK, thanks – i happen to agree right now about taking the passion to the ground and get behind the team
I also believe we need a change of approach to our game, Wenger is stale in his ideas, that only he can change, if he doesn’t I think results will cost him in the end…
Rico, you say it will make no difference but it will, from little acorns grow mighty oak tree’s, the natives are getting restless.
Its something I have never seen at arsenal before, it will divide the supporters, I don’t think a flag/banner would be up for very long before its removed by the stewards but long enough for the camera’s to catch it.
There’s never a good time for a protest, can’t see the point in getting wenger out now, let him see the season out and take it from there, i personally think it would be a good time for a change of manager next summer.
Sam,a job for life is exactly what Wenger deserves. That does not necessarily mean as manager though. It may end up as a director of football,leading the youth academy,chief scout….who knows.
If the comments specified a life job as manager,then i would be concerned.
ziggy, it’s all about being able to get the best out of what you have, is wenger doing that right now, is he capable of doing it in the future?
I hope so, but I am not convinced he can motivate the players to turn our season around…
I think i will start a brawl if these so called supporter’s start demo’s before our game,get behind the team and save your protest’s for the end of season.The last thing this club need’s now is more negativity.
You lot make me laugh about 6 years with no trophies.
Try 17 years & watching the likes of Terry Mancini, Jeff Blockley, JohnHawley, Chris Whyte & Peter Nicholas.
Good point Micko about acorns, I truly beleive that every person has the right to voice their own opinion but i’d rather had all happened at the end of last season or this seaosn now, not half way through when any new manager has the same players to work with.
But, then i think to myself that a new man just may be able to motivate better… i’m so torn, but deep down i know that something has to give….
I hate seeing our club this way….
AK, for me it’s not about the trophies, it’s about the way we play, the way AW sits throwing bottles, the lack of passion etc etc….
Hi ig, that’s kind of the point i was trying to make in the post, is now the right time?
Not forgetting geoge woods and lee chapman.
lee chapman – wha a horrid little man….
I know where your coming from Rico, i also share those concerns, but we need to get behind the team and show a united front. The only people rubbing their hands at this are Talkshite and our lamentable Press. Those cnuts think all this is hilarious. Don’t give them any ammunition.
The post was top notch,still the best Arsenal site about….I Just need to find more time to come on.
Mick, i had a load more mate… 🙂
Never heard him called little before, he was terrible for us.
How can a side perform with two of its top three players missing long term,each week losing a player to suspension,more players with short/ mid term injuries…….there is no stability,no consistency but its just convenient for those blaming Wenger to ignore these factors.
I know AK, give the team something to feed off, they might just then give the fans something to feed off too…. As a friend of mine said to me last night, look at the travelling fans, hear their voices – the home fans need to do the same…
Thanks IG, that means a lot ….
If these fans want to protest then thats their choice and their prerogative…… However, I would say that any protest should be kept to “outside” the ground and NOT inside, Inside the stadium gives off all the wrong signals and doesnt help the team what so ever so keep it outside and aimed at the person persons in question, inside makes it a circus and a free for all….!
Greetings all…
I really get surprised that some of the arsenal supporters believe in Wenger than the welfare of this club. Whether AW is there or not Arsenal will be there. Lets stop this cult following and look at facts as they are. We are doing very badly now just as we have been doing for so long i.e 6 years and we are not doing anything differently now that we should expect different results.
As gooner supporters, we have been the most supportive fans ever. What do we get in return? some passionless and gutless perfomance from most of our players bar a few like RVP, JW, song, Z and a few. Why is this? coz AW cant instil the necessary toughness and fighting spirit. He doesnt have that go getter attitude and he cant put it into the players
At the end of each disappointing season, we fold our hands and pray and hope AW will see the weakness in the team and rectify. He does nothing but get a fat paycheck plus bonusses as he seldom uses all transfer package at his disposal.
Our players need to know that we are not happy in one way or the other and if we have to get flags at our matches we gonna do it coz we love this club. Anyone thinking that they love this club more than the others just because they take AW as their god are mistaken. When your child is peroming badly and needs to be corrected, you dont say that let me wait until the end of the academic year to correct him. You do right away. We want AW to change his tactics, player selection and his approach to games.
Micko – not little by size but certainly by nature…..
I take your point Scott but a club like ours should be able to cope better than we are, i still think half of the problem is wenger buying the players so late, had he got them in june/july, they would have bedded in by now….
Greetings to you too Wath, i thought you had left us….. 😉
I thought I had Rico, been sick as a dog…..! Still alive though I’ll get word to you if you have to donate 50p for flowers to my funeral 😉
DMK, I think they know we are not happy – in all honesty, the players aren’t happy either if they mean what they all voice….
I think Wath’s view is the right way, protest but not in the ground, get behind the players in the ground, we need them to raise their game…
Bloomin heck Wath, sorry to hear that, hope you are feeling a lot better now – i’m a bit tight with my money 😉
Got to pop off with Fido, back shortly….
Should I have said 20p then Rico…….. 😛
Agree with Islington Gooner, this is the best blog becuase it is balanced. It doesn’t fall to much on one side of the fence and although the author might not agree with posts he still puts them out there. If only all sites were like that.
The problem at the moment is as much with fans being either on one side or the other, do other clubs have this issue? Maybe but it definitely seems more apparent with us.
I for one have definitely lost faith with Wenger, which is a shame as he was a true legend to me and always will be to a degree but is he the right man to take our club onto the next level? Personally I think not.
However I’m not stupid enough to think all of the problems stem from one man, the board are just as responsible and I can’t see what value they bring at the moment….only personal interests.
Nothing will really change until Stan is gone and Usmanov is brought in but what worreis me is the state the club will be in by the time that happens..
For those of you that are saying this is the boards fault ask your selfs would AW stick around silently absorbing all the blame allst while he watches how the board dismantles all his good work,no? yea I did not think so. the board may have its faults but ultimatly its the manager that has to bear the bleame and go. And for those that want to call me a spud to my face I will gladly give you an address where you can come and say it to my face. There is a need to protest now but I would start outside the stadium first for few games and then move into it. Waiting to May to see what we know is going to happen makes no sense at all as wee need a new approch now. A manager that can get this squad to play as a team instead of headless chickens and inspire some fighting spirit may well see us challange for the 4th spot but with current manager we are nothing more than a midtable outfit.
I agree with DMK on several points and the major being noone is bigger than the club never have been never will be although it seems a few are trying to go against the grain on that and be “the Club” the manager nor board or owner are bigger than the Club we the fans ARE the CLUB simple as that. Wenger is for me not the future, he’s lost the magic and for me is stale, rightly or wrongly thats my opinion BUT I think replacing him alone would get us nowhere as the board are as much to blame for his ego and stubborness as he is, they have lined their pockets they do not love the club like we the fans do and their to full of a job well done when in fact the only job well done it to fleece the fans and get rich on the back of it as well. We have no vision or ambition at the moment it seems and we need new blood and proper Arsenal people leading the club into a new era, Gazidis is quite clearly not a football man and merely a puppet of Stan who also has no idea about football or its supporters. They need to be gotten rid of before any change of manager would reap any rewards.
I don’t diagree TT but the board have to also go becuase if they offer a new manager 45p and a packet of crisps as a transfer kitty noone is going to be able to takeover and reverse the damage
7mil a yr buys a lot of loyalty TT……….. In my eyes they are both to blame and BOTH need to go for any good to happen removing one without the other wouldn’t help when a new manager may organise what we have a lot better and get us defending better and change formation BUT would the board allow the purse strings to be let loose…? would they sanction big money buys..? questions we cant answer just by getting rid of wenger I’m afraid..!
The manager will go be fore the board so lets start there and as for a new manager having 45p and a bag of crisp’s to sign new players remember this. Stay away Stan is a buisness man 1 2 and 3 not a sports guy he is simply an investor that has decided to invest in sports clubs and as such he will NOT allow his investment to drop in value. If a new manager wants new signings he will get them within reason and the first thing that he would need to do is to dismantle the pay structure at the club, paying Denilson Almunia and Benthner the same or more than Verminator or Jack is simple lunacy and that is one of the managers biggest mistakes, he wanted harmony in the dressing room and all players to be payed if not the same then damn close anyway. Other clubs pay by the players importance to the team and go well over 150k a week to keep theyr super stars happy, we have the power to do the same if we stop thease silly contracts being given out to average joe.
So if Stan is a business man why hasnt he made the investments in the team in his first full season TT why did he not tell wenger in the summer “show some ambition and intent in the market Arsene I want to make a good impression with the fans” Stan thinks because Usmanov is in the wings he’ll stil make a killing if he sells…! The board has lied and bullshitted us more than wenger has let us down with crap players and poor contracts and in the end the board are supposed to be his boss so they have let him do what he wants. The board to go before the manager for me but then thats simple my opinion.
But what he already over ruled the manager on the Nasri sale as far as I can understand, the manager wanted to keep him but the board sayed sell when it was clear that Nasri was not going to resign thats good buisness senze. As for him telling wenger to go out and sign players no sane owner will sign players over the head of the manager simple as that. My understanding of Kronkes policy is to let the football people run the football side, the area where he knows he does not have the knowhow. The lies and bullshit of the board did not start in the last few monts and thats the time kronke has been in sole charge, it started long before that so we cant lay the blame for that soly at his door. Don’t get me wrong I would take Usmanov over Kronke in a flash but that is not going to happen anytime soon if at all so our best option IMO is to get a new manager in and have him sweep the board clean get the team playing again.
Afternoon folks…
Thanks Sam, I have my own views, my own opinions but that doesn’t make me right, the whole idea is to debate and that’s what we strive for here…
I don’t get the insults thing, it achieves nothing and I certainly wouldn’t expect to be told or read others being told to go support another club just because I or they believe Wengers days are done….
Wenger has been a fantasic manager fro Arsenal, he certainly turned us around but now I think many fans are looking only at what he did, rather than what he is doing now and has been for the last few seasons.
He’s slowly undone all the good he has done, buying bargains, expecting too much from players who clearly are sub-standard for the PL and the biggest gripe I have is he sticks by them too long.
We pay kids too much for doing nothing and we sell too many ‘great’ players and seldom replace them with similar quality.
We have a true ‘Arsenal man’ in our squad, he’d give more in 90 minutes than most are doing right now but where is he?? West Ham!
All because, imho, Stan Kronke wants to line his pocket and make himself richer and he stands by Wenger as he he happy to help him do just that….
Rant over 😉
TT – I aslo want the board out first and foremost, only because under Stan, I just can’t see any other manager being given funds – otherwise Wenger would have got the money in the summer, and he’d have been told to spend it if Stan really cared….
TT – Stan has said it was Wengers decision to sell both Cesc and Nasri, so he’s lying one way or another….
Wenger said him self erlyer rico that Arsenal could not be called a big club if they sold both Nasri and Cesc. He would not have come out with that if he belived both would go.
He knew Cesc was a lost cause because in fearness he left last summer not this summer gone. As for Nasri he was not going to let him go from all I can gather and had hoped to convince him to stay with promices of new signings, Nasri wanted to see them first and called his bluff. As for not having the money to buy I dont belivie that for one moment as wenger has him self stated that he can spend big on a good players, his own words. If he stopped paying the 2 and 3 choice players mega bucks he could even free up more capital but that would be admitting having been wrong the whole time.As for Stan wanting to line his pockets well rico he is not going to do that by letting the club slide into midtable position so that argument does not hold up.
TT, think it’s all guess work on our part to assume or understand who says what thinks what and acts in any certain way, none of us are privy to what goes on at board level nor what stan tells wenger to do or not to do so we’re all none the wiser we just assume or goe on gossip or hearsay, stan has been a shareholder for 4 yrs Gazidis in place for 2 yrs and both for me have brought nothing to the table and noone seems to hold wenger accountable and for me its the board who should hold the manager accountable and they seem not too hence Gazidis pathetic comment in May that the fans are the ones that he is accountable too… my question to that is then who are the board accountable to as well, I would hope the same fans who should also want them out…! Bottom line is we can think what we want we don’t know the truth we just see what they have done to the club and the way they treat us the fans…!
TT – When does Wenger truth 😉
Seriously, I think that was all said to appease the fans, i read somewhere that nasri had been tapped up and we only got as much as we did for him because of it – again, i don’t know if it’s the truth. I think AW soon learned though that he had no chance of keeping him and settled for the sale.
Re Stan, that’s an interesting one, i would agree that what is happening on the pitch is more likely to reduce the value of his shares than to increase them but, on the 31st August, when the window closed, i don’t think he nor any of us truly realised just how bad things would get.
My own view is that things have slighty backfired on our majority shareholder….
We had that discussion on here months ago TT, wengers comments about not being a big club if we sold cesc n nasri were pathetic, it’s not about who we sold it’s about who we brought in and if he has brought in 2 big names first or even three big signings then when cesc n nasri were sold most would not of given a shit. As for nasri I heard he wanted to go to the mancs yet citeh had tapped him up so we forced the issue with citeh hence we got such a big fee for him….! Another rumour or gossip we’ll never know but for a manager to say we’re not a big club based on selling players is rubbish, was he trying to force the board to buy who he wanted..??? again we’ll never know. I still say they both as bad as each other. For me board to go first and then we see if wenger really is the problem..?
Truth be told rico and wath i agree that both need to go but lets move the hill before we start on the mountain. Wenger will be sacrificed anyway by the board if we turn the heat up on them thats fore sure so no matter who we turn the protest at, Wenger goes first and that for me can not happen soon enough. All talk about waiting to the seasons end is IMO madness as we will almost surtenly be facing next season with out CL football and that will reduce the funds for transfers and make it harder to gt a good manager. There are some out there that we could get straight out or even with a good caretaker manager we would have better chance of getting into top 4.
That’s a good point Wath, it’s not about who we sell, sometimes players just want to go for all sorts of reasons but one player or two as we sold this summer don’t make a team. Had we sold Nasri and bought Hazard, I doubt one fan would have cared two hoots, had we got Mata or similar, we would have maybe said, cesc who?
But we got Arteta, who yes is good but he’s on his way to ending his career, even the player said he’s had his best days….
Gervinho, well we can only hope that he starts finding his passes and finding the back of the net….
TT – i think it’s a ‘chicken v egg’ situation, if Stan goes and AU comes in before the summer, he then gives Wenger 100M and tells him to sign the right players to make us a strong looking side and Wenger does.
Then he says, everyone knows he needs help and Wenger then replaces Pat Rice (who will retire anyway) with Keown, all things would look better.
But, if Stan stays, sacks Wenger and brings in Pep from Barca, then he tells him, sorry, you have got a small budget to work with so go and do your best with what you have, would we be any better off?
Thing is, we won’t know the answer until one or the other happens…..
I hear what your saying TT I just doubt firstly you’ll get rid of wenger cos he takes all the shit for the board and as said if wenger goes any new manager still has to deal with this pathetic unambitious board…! Board out all day long for me then we sort the management and his staff…! I agree new ideas new coaches could make us a better unit but again my doubts are all about the backing from the board for any new manager.
Would he be any better off? in one word Yes! Look at the barca team and see how it works. Brilliant footballers but still they do the basics right namely work off the ball. They close down the oppesition and deny them space to play in and harass and husle you off the ball, everything we are not doing now and it is something you dont need talent for as such, just work bloody hard. And to wath’s point it is all guess work on our half we don’t know what money he has but someone is lying fore sure and to be honest i believe neither party. Usmanov may think he knows but even he does not know as he has not acsess to the books, he still needs a few more shears for that.
I still think we’ll only sort the manager situation out when we have somewho running us who actually cares, cares about the history of AFC, cares about the future and who wants to better the present…
And, how much would it cost Stan to sack Wenger? Not only to terminate his contract but to keep him quiet…..
nice post Rico..
well wenger seems to make more mistakes than ever before im afraid,panic buys, disrupting our pre season,selling our best players,buying half decent players,tactical inept,
as far as kroenke*the hollywood hoo*er and nazidis well looking back at the timeline since 07,we all can see what those jokes are about..money money money and are steadily downgrading and ripping off Our Beloved Arsenal..
Protesting…i have no problems with that,it is how it should work,and i must say the banner is in no way disrespectful,some say they should just walk away ..well look at Emirates many have already done that.
Some make the point that for wenger to go now would be almost crazy considering he bought all tha players we have ??? Please tell me would that situation change in the summer or when ??
my humble solution…get rid of kroenke and nazidis,bring back dein and usmanov,and give hilly woody a kick in the b*tt,then give wenger another two years…
One should know by now that there are things happening at The Arsenal that we the Gooners are not told…are we in deep crisis ?? just maybe..its strange to see that RvP isnt willing to come out and say he is staying(our captain ?)in my opinion if he cant be bothered to sign a new contract..he sure as h*ll doesnt deserve to be our captain..he is a joke..
but one could argue that RvP more or less have been told that he is going to be sold,without CL next season that would make sense..since Tha Arsenal is all about making money..
Kronke You are a disgrace Sir,nazidis You are nothing more than a lying son of a wh*re
Maybe Pep wasn’t the best example TT 😉
But yes, you are right about the way we play TT and all you suggest points to the defensive side of our game – wenger doesn’t seem to have a defensive mind and as Frimpong admitted, Wenger doesn’t even take the defence training, Rice and Primovic (spelling) does – so that takes us back to bring in Keown, or moving Bould up to help out.
It also takes us back to, who is Wengers boss, why is he not telling Wenger to sort it out? Primovic is clearly not the right man to coach the side for defensive work….
Agreed re the team ethic TT and working as a unit and that comes from coaching and the staff as I said i few comments ago….! Yes we may improve that in the short term but for me it’s still a long term problem if the board is still the same. We need Arsenal ppl in charge and owning the club ppl that care about the team and the club like we do it can’t just be a job and for most thats all it is…! huge salries and what do they produce and input into the club to make us a success… very little just drain the clubs coffers it seems..!
Ideally the board out first and we see what Wenger is made of but he still harps on about this FFP and young players cr*p and you wonder if he would still do this even if Usmanov came in?
Not the right time to protest for me but closer to January….can it do anymore damage to the team given the position we are in?
Even the biggest Wenger supporter can’t tell me we will finish 4th
Hi tomstoned, thanks..
i’m one of those who think sacking him now would be wrong, only because the new manager would be stuck with the kind of players you mention…
If bringing back DD rought back the old Wenger, then I am all for him coming in and if AU takes over, I think he will too..
DD and Wenger remain very close friends, we all know they holidayed together in the summer, it’s no coincidence that since DD left, Wengers approach has changed….. (imho)
Interesting view re RvP, was he yet another emotional appointment?? I am not a fan of a forward being the captain, never have been….
Sam,
i think the difference would be that AU wouldn’t allow him to carry on in the same way, i think he would be more ruthless and want us to be far more successful….
I am very surprised at Stan Kronke, look around in the world of sport, the Americans and the Australians are not born to lose, most of the sucessful sporting people/teams are from either of the two countries…
Stan imho does not seem to have that winning mentality in him, unless of course his sport is about making himself rich….
Americans don’t have a great record when it comes to football….they just don’t get it. Stan is all about profit and loss and ignores the passion and history of it all. That’s why Usmanov would be ideal, he doesn’t need the money but he is a strong businessman and so the balance should be there.
Not sure if you gave read it but there is a great book out there called ‘why England lose and other curious football phenomena explained’ well worth a read. Talks a lot about statistics and football and Wenger is also mentioned a lot.
That’s what i mean sam, I don’t think he is in this for the benefit for anything other than his bank account….
When we moved to the emirates, we all knew the finances would have to be kept an eye on for a while but this man has money and it seems he doesn’t want to spend a penny of it for the good of Arsenal….
Sooner he departs, the better…..
Afternoon Gooners.
Good to see that you’ve sorted it all out.
Wenger out, Pep in. Still no money to spend.
And Wath unwell….. What’s the world coming to..?
Wath, didn’t i tell ya, keep off the doner kebabs… 😉
http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/15219
An interesting read…
Afternoon AK, I think we have sorted every possible scenerio 😛
I love blogging for that exact reason 😉
AK, you know I don’t understand those posts 😉
Now you know i don’t believe that for one moment boss… 😀
Just as Le Grove is sometimes too extreme against Wenger Emirates Stadium Blog seem to be completely blinkered by the man…..as with most things somewhere in the middle is probably right 🙂
I’m truthing AK 🙂
Sam, I don’t think that LG is anti Wenger, some of the bloggers clearly are but I honestly believe that G&P just tell it as it is….
Somewhere in the middle – that has to be here then 😉 😉
I don’t eat Alsation AK hence stay well away from anything called a Doner………
Pep in…? Is that a Pep talk..?
Can’t stand the bloke but two great articles from fans on his site the last few days….
This is todays…. bang on as well…!
“How do I write an open letter to Arsenal FC ?
By Myles Palmer”
From Anthony Benson : driving the wrong way down a one-way street
Football is a results business.
Arsenal is a football club.
Arsenal’s football results reek of a business that is at best in decline and at worst is in danger of going kaput: high fixed costs + unstable revenue streams + dwindling asset (player) values / qualities + falling demand.
That’s a red flag to a bull if ever there was a proverbial one!
I don’t believe that Arsenal fans have forgotten the thrilling and entertaining brand of football, that was combined with excellent results, which made Arsene’s Arsenal “model” the envy of football fans when everywhere up until the mid-noughties.
In fact, I believe most AKB fans are living of the relatively recent but nonetheless past glories – and are thus oblivious to the cracks, crevices and grand canyons that exist in the present and short term future of Arsenal FC and Arsenal Plc.
Worse still, it would appear that Arsene and Stan and Peter HW and Ivan and the other dithering “dingbats” (to borrow an expression made fashionable by Keith Lemon) who run Arsenal Plc are looking in the rear-view mirror at those past glories whilst driving the wrong way down a one-way street, (“stuck in second gear” – an expression borrowed from Arsene himself), oblivious to the grand canyon ahead.
Teams don’t fear Arsenal, the media mocks Arsenal, opposing fans dismiss Arsenal as a threat and worst still, most gooners don’t “support” the direction in which Arsenal is being driven.
Arsenal was fine before it left Highbury.
Arsenal was broken when it moved to the Emirates. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that one shouldn’t fix what isn’t broken.
It would be an untruth to say I wasn’t upset when we were humiliated at Old Trafford and at Ewood Park, or disappointed at the impotency shown at White Hart Lane, but it would be an untruth to say the results were a shock given the now dire state of Arsenal Plc.
My expectations have now bottomed out, in line with how the quality of our players has bottomed out.
Arsene’s Arsenal’s days in the sunshine are over.
Arsene and Stan and Peter HW and Ivan the other dithering “dingbats” need to stop looking in the rear-view mirror at past glories, try to steer Arsenal away from the grand canyon ahead and focus on the now, such as:
• On teaching our defenders to defend as a team. To put infrastructure in place for this to be done (i.e. employ competent defensive coaches).
• Play 2 strikers
• Have players that can play in their best position.
• Stop rewarding potential. Stop rewarding failure. Reward ability and success and determination and teamwork and a never say die winning attitude.
• Respect the fans. Appease the fans. Entice the fans. Stop lying to the fans.
Do you know how one goes about writing an open letter to Arsenal?
I would dearly love to send this and discuss this with our dingbats
This one is yesterdays and prob an even better read and comment..!
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/2228/30/Are-you-sick-of-watching-an-Arsenal-team-that-can-t-defend
That’s a corker from ANR… Makes a refreshing change… 😉
WATH agree completely but even if you did send it they wouldn’t care becuase there is an air of arrogance at Arsenal that unfortunately is not backed up by results!
Rico, your probably right its is more some of the bloggers that I think take it too far, Geoff and Pedro mostly speak sense
Maybe the word is balanced not middle 🙂
I like the one –
“Have players that can play in their best positions”
Now wouldn’t that be a novel idea……!
Many happy returns today to;
Tony Adams……………….45
Sir Charlie George………..61.
61, my hero…… 😯
I don’t believe it.
It’s only refreshing Rico cos it wasn’t written by “him” lol…!
Mertesacker up front as a striker, about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Interesting piece by Myles Palmer, but i’m not a great fan of his tbh.
Wath, we have been saying that for a while haven’t we, square pegs made to fit in round holes….
But all too often, they don’t….
A good one from Arsenal Review…I think many of us share his frustrations.
I would also add that the team is far less able to bounceback after a bad result these days, they seem to be so fragile.
How many timese of the past 5-6 years have I been at the Emirates and seen a nervy performance from the team? I know it happens elsewhere but with us it is seems constant…lack of older role models?
Both were my heroes AK, Charlie is as you know, the reason Arsenal grabbed me… stole me away from my local side….. 😉
Spot on Wath, best ANR have done in a while….
I’m pretty sure tony adams was offered a place on the coaching team when he retired but he wanted to be his own man and not a number two, i wonder how things would have looked today if he had taken our offer up.
Gooner Sam, i disagree. How many on here have ever written to the club?
Imagine if the club was inundated with critical letters about all the aspects we complain about.
As long as you keep it respectfull and make constructive criticisms then you might be suprised.
I address my letters to Ken Friar, and always get a reply.
Give it a try…..
Of all the criticsms made on here about Wenger, the one that i agree with the most is his reluctance to spice up his coaching team.
The same old voices saying the same old things is a recipe for staleness.
And that’s what we have.
Evening all,
I’m sorry rico i found your Post condecending, is this the right time you ask, Maybe what the guy is saying is right, Wenger has bought these players and if he goes we still have the same players , Ivan Gazedes and stan kronke will not go without because bums are not on seats they have plenty, those fans that buy season tickets and dont go are not protesting they are stopping a supporter who is on the waiting list from getting a ticket, if they dont like the board and they dont like the manager or the players take their support elsewhere because they certainly don’t sound like Arsenal supporters. If Chelsea and City and many many others protested after only six years of not winning anything and they didn’t turn up for games they wouldn’t be there now, and they waited decades perhaps they are football supporters and not spoilt brats
Evening Steve, your view is fine with me, that’s what it’s all about…
The fans who don’t go are just trying to make their voice heard, and for me, empty seats is better than a load of abuse throw at the manager and the team….
Off to get dinner, back after….
Evening Steve, I can’t see anyone here complaining about no trophies for 6 yrs it’s the same mistakes that have been made over and over the past 6yrs that ppl are entitled to have a moan about, fairly so as well in my opinion. The lies about being able to compete for the best players in the transfer market was the reason we were told we had to leave Highbury and yet all the board have done is pay off the debt and sell their shares to line their pockets. Fact not fiction. Wenger gets paid 7mil a yr to tow the party line it seems and we get charged the highest prices in europe to watch footie at the emirates and yet we get fed the same crap yr after year….! Wenger has become untouchable because the board have let him and the board think they’ve done a grand job cos the stadium is still pretty full but for how long…? the worm is turning, people won’t pay top dollar to watch mediocrity..!
AK, how many different assistants has Fungusbum had while he has been in charge at united….?
New ideas someone with a fresh attitude someone to challenge tactics and thoughts…… Maybe it’s what has kept him on his toes all these years.
Steve, there’s nothing wrong with questioning the board, its painfully obvious all is not well at the club, it doesn’t mean we are spoilt brats or should take our support elsewhere, people pay a lot of their hard earned cash to go and watch arsenal and are genuinely worried.
Weren’t we the first club to introduce a £100 seat last season which doesn’t even include a program so all these people on the waiting list aren’t really being denied a ticket if they really want one.
Evening, do you ever wish you’d never bothered trying to cook something different, i do right now…. 🙁
good point about old red nose coaches Wath, i hadn’t thought about that and i’m sure fergie does very little coaching these days….
There’s always beans on toast Rico 😉
Micko – spot on
i see all what is happening with the fans is down to the being true gooners, they love OUR club and seeing it suffer hurts, hurts like hell….
In our working day we get questioned when we get it wrong, they too are not beyond question….
Sorry guys and gals was having my dinner didn’t mean to ignore you.
Micko , You question the board as much as you like mate every body is accountable i have no problem with that at all. Ak has said that he writes to the club and i believe if your letter gets answered that is the way to show if you are unhappy, My objection is protests and Banners marches and what normally ends in abusive chants and comments, I am positive that Wengers body language on the bench shows me a man in pain, i believe he is trying his dambedest and i am sure the players are not going out there to lose, maybe a few expensive signings would make a difference most supporters believe that Wengers problem is that he buys cheaply, For a club that has entered transition from a club that owed, to a club that has started to make profit, they do seem a bit reluctant to spend, But i believe we have now come to a point in time that we will start buying although not to the degree supporters want, and even replacing Wenger would not be any different.I was a union man years ago and went on strike on numerouse ocasions i stood on picket lines and thought we were right doing what we did but the government and company shut us down and moved our work abroad and we were all out of work, this didn’t work for us in the end and i don’t believe that protests will change Arsenals approach either. they have a plan and they will see it out protests or not, when they are ready they will spend but a club that has gone from owing to making will test the water slowly. Evening Wath and AK
I wish i’d had that Wath 😆
Afternoon folks!
I’m very busy today but any important news?
Steve – you said
‘My objection is protests and Banners marches and what normally ends in abusive chants and comments’
That’s what i said in the post but it offended you?
All i was trying to say is why bring in a new manager now when AW bought them all, they support him etc etc…
Why wave flags in the ground when we need to be supporting players?
I’m a tad confused…
I want the board out…
Hi JM, yes, very important news, my dinner turned out awful 😉
But, JD and Kos are looking likely to be fit for Sunday, that’s good news… well, Kos anyay and, by all accounts TV should be very close to a return….
Micko – i missed your earlier about Tony Adams, he’s still only a phone call away 😉
Rico ,Your post said to me that you adreed that Wenger should be replaced , but whats the point of replacing him now as we will have the same players,
To me your post was both for in one moment only to give a backhanded analagy later, i dissagree with Wenger going, i dissagree with people moaning at the board after the transition we have made i am amazed that Wenger and the board have had the success that they have had, i would think that any other club that has done what ours have done would be languishing in the lower leagues not still competing in Europe. we have had our share of luck and are now getting some bad luck which is understandable, but injuries to key players susspensions when others get away scot free i have said before that thats stinks, and what has happened to us in europe that stinks too, supporters can blame the manager and the board but we still have a decent enough team to compete in this league if only we get them all playing, I stated in an earlier post that we have the team to win things and i still believe that but our luck has to change soon and we don’t need so called supporters making things worse.
My post steve was about the protest that was planned….
My comments throughout the day are clear, I want the board out first and foremost – then see what happens after that….
I am not happy with the way Wenger fails to motivate the players, i am not happy that the players cannot motivate themselves…
But most importantly, I want the best for the club I love and if that means a new board and with it a new manager, then so be it…
Wenger is a massive part of OUR club, he always will be regardless of what happens but he isn’t the be all and end all in my eyes – i would be sad to see him go, but it’s Arsenal I support, it’s Arsenal I love and no one man or board is bigger than OUR club….
Steve – just want to add, i have read the post again and again and i can’t see where i have said that wenger should be sacked….
anyway…..
When i first came on this site posts were encouraging and supportive and thats what supporters and players like reading, i began writing posts and have always tried to be supportive even if results are not going with us but i belive its our job as supporters to still get behind our team, try and be fair and give praise to whoever deserve it even if they don’t play for us, all this we love the club and players must be loyal and wear the badge with pride run through walls for the red and white is a load of crap they want to play in the first team and drive round flash cars, they are just normal blokes some are good where others are not, but us as supporters have got to know that whoever is in charge is doing the best for the club, Yeh the owners may have agenda’s they are multi millionairs we should expect that but what we have here at the moment is somthing to be proud of and i am , a string of results could change many minds and us as bloggers can encourage fans instead of knocking everything Arsenal, get fans to read positive posts and leave the negatives for the media
Steve, are you sure that comment is you being totally honest?
You didn’t say it but you believe it
Yeh i know i have written posts through frustration and have asked you to bin them i am no saint either but once i got my senses back have asked you not to print them.
Evening Gooners.
Are we still all friends…. 😀
No steve, i want stan out, AU in with Dein and see if the old wenger comes back….
and i didn’t post the ones your wrote in frustration, in fact i held on to them – and left it for a while and then asked again…
but maybe i am in that frustrated mood, am i not also entitled to feel the same?
Wenger pisses me off big time, he is so clever yet cannot see what is right in front of his nose and that’s why fans get so bitter and twisted….
Anyway, i don’t want to sit here arguing with you steve, you have helped me far too much in the HH life ……..
I’m off for a horlicks and Corrie, back to the real world eh 😉
nighty all….
Thats why i like this site where its ok to disagree Nte all
Hi AK, I hope so …
I actually think it’s been a good day, none of us were in full agreement with many things but it certainly showed that not everyone wants Arsene out, most just want to see a few tweaks but in the main, Stan was deemed to be the weakest link 😉
Anyway, I’m gone now, my horlicks is getting cold….
Nighty…..
Oh well, hello and good night Steve & Rico.
I’ll just hang on around here and Wait for JM’s pearl’s of wisdom…. 😉
I’m sorry AK 🙁
But you know we oldies are bed early and up at sparrows fart 😉
Oldies……….. 😆
Your avin a larf
How’s your chair lift up the stairs working AK…?
Just fine mate….
Hello again…
RVP will leave next summer…
Kalu is from where ? Cameroun?
Park can play just more two years… enought time to win something 🙂
Hello JM.
You here to cheer me up? 😉
Wow I’m glad I don’t live in Steve’s thought police world! Dictatorship doesn’t even begin to cover it but sadly I think probably quite reflective of Arsenal at the moment
And no, i don’t want Kalou.
Where he comes from doesn’t matter.
The last time we got a half-decent player from Chelsea was when Bertie Mee swapped Baldwin for George Graham
You got the pen and paper out yet Sam?
GS, Just because you don’t agree with Steve don’t mean he right or wrong mate and think Steve is being very general with his comments not having a pop at anyone on here…!
Glad you good AK, Nope I don’t want anyone’s cast offs either we need to buy proper players and top quality simple as that.
Yeah, just look at Wath, he’s always wrong, but do i complain…. 🙂
Seriously, i’m sick of buying players surplus to the requirements of other top four clubs.
How does that make us look?
I still cannot comprehend what was going thru Wenger’s mind when he signed Silvestre.
I believe that that transfer may have begun the gradual disintegration of many fans’ faith in Wenger and that …. Arsene Knows..!
I most certainly don’t want Kalou.
Or Malouda or Alex or any other Chav cast-off.
What Arsene knew AK he seems to of forgotten……….
It’s ok mate I know I am always wrong… 😛
Am off for the night AK got a few things to do before the morning, take it easy mate and chat 2moro…!
No your not.. 😉
See ya mate
Don’t panic………………….
The referee for Sunderland this Sunday:
Howard Webb………
http://www.arsenalnews.co.uk/when-martin-keown-met-dennis-bergkamp-at-the-ajax-talent-factory/link/95907/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2047630/Martin-Keown-life-Arsenal-Dennis-Bergkamp.html
New Post up…
Rico I’m a little confused by your posts though I’ve read through your whole blog. I see a litany of things you have listed that have gone wrong yet you place the responsibility first and foremost with the Board and not with the manager. Let me say initially that I don’t agree with a protest at this point in time because it would be counter productive, but I do want the manager to leave because of all the things you listed in your posts. However you seem to stop short of saying that Wengers days are over as if it’s a dirty word to say that or you can’t bring yourself to face the fact that he cannot recreate what he did before and in that respect he has done all he can and needs to move on.
The proof of this are your suggestions that everyone under the sun is brought in to help the manager. If it gets that far that we are saying he needs, defensive coaches Bould and Keown, David Dein to come back and help him a new Board, someone to tell him to spend money on good players etc That to me is making everyone around the manager responsible apart from the manager himself. Like I said in the last paragraph the answer in that situation is you relieve the manager of his duties and maybe it’s because you are leaving out this option then all these other scenarios that are never going to happen begin to surface.
Put sentiment aside for a minute if you were reading the list of problems largely of his own creation and attributed them to any other manager at any other Club would you expect that manager to still be in a job? The manager won’t go regardless of results or promises unfulfilled and the Board and Kroenke won’t sack him. To replace Wenger would cost them in the region of 25mill+ with paying him out and bringing in a manager, they’re not likely so sack him and be liable for that and he knows it that’s why he won’t go. To me that shows a lack of integrity on his part, which I would question that a manager who does not see winning as part of his job should just not be in football, your total motivation is wrong and we have seen this in the way Wenger runs the team, to bring in profits not success or even giving the team a fighting chance against our rivals.
Let us understand this clearly Wenger holidayed with Dein and they are good friends but what your implying is that David Dein would have to come back to the Club in order for him to give or Wenger to take his advice? How does that make sense? That’s like saying that if I leave work and my good mate I used to work with needs professional advice I won’t give it unless I’m working with him? Not sure that makes sense. Anyway Dein brought in Kroenke, Wenger sat in on and sanctioned Gazidis appointment so why do you accept having both Dein and Wenger but not Kroenke or Gazidis who represents the board? And why have you not blamed Wenger and Dein for letting these people into our Club?
In order to understand where the division between the fans has originated from we need to examine what the Board and Wenger have said in recent years and they have both contradicted themselves, told lies and been deceitful to the fans. Those fans who choose not to see it will defend them blindly whilst those who feel they are being taken for a ride have had enough. One of the Wenger classics among many is this one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1320162/Arsenal-boss-Arsene-Wenger-refuses-rule-joining-Paris-Saint-Germain-board.html So tell me why would he advocate getting rich investors around the table to give PSG financial muscle, but we have to live of the crumbs of the self sustaining model?
Our club has no ethos or morals stands for nothing anymore the captaincy has been passed around like a cheap tart, there are no values – we will sell our players to anyone we don’t care anymore, the spirit has been destroyed and this is all down to the manager nobody else. We are a feeder club for City and those who don’t believe that are in denial. We have sold players to the club and assisted them in overhauling our position in the league. Did you ever think you’d be saying that? The players who know they can make it elsewhere have lost faith in the manager and it appears that he can no longer motivate the players. The mess we are in with wages also down to him and what he recommends players should get paid. We can’t get rid of our overpaid crap and we can’t pay our top players enough. Any independent fan would look at all this and wonder how on earth is the man still in a job.
I know that despite all this a lot of fans will hark back to his glory days and give this as a reason that he should remain in post for as long as he wants. Like you I support the Club first and foremost managers and players come and go and it is in this spirit that I look at what is happening and try to keep in my mind is this in the best interest of the Club and I don’t think it is anymore and the longer the manager remains the more damage is being done to the Club in terms of it’s commercial value and potential, the team in terms of their spirit and motivation, Wengers own legacy and above all damage is being done amongst the fans.
Apologies for the long post!