Yes that’s right Mugs!!
Are you a season ticket holder? Perhaps you buy your tickets as and when you can?
Either way and just like me, we are all mugs!
We support a team that takes the piss out of us, from Stan down to Wenger there is always an excuse!
We pay the highest prices in the Premier League to watch some of the worst players we as fans have witnessed wearing the red and white shirt!
Why do we do it week in, week out?
Because it’s born in us, that’s why!
It’s certainly not for what we have had to suffer watching over the last few seasons is it?
Our club has sold, or let players run their contracts down and leave for free and replaced them with cheap substitutes, or as the latest fashion seems to be, allowed them to depart on loan deals whilst they get a visa or eventually leave.. JOKE!
We like a cheap deal and so often that cheap deal comes with consequences like a Visa!
However, that doesn’t seem to stop us!
We seem to do these for a couple of months with the kids, sometimes an entire season just to offload players like Bendtner or Denilson or to allow a player to work towards his visa/permit.
But all of this costs, we spend out on players who can’t solve the here and now, we pay them a wage – and that’s a wage that could fund a player who is ready for now, a player who could really change the current side so what is the point of looking so far to the future, when we can’t even get the present right??
We are broken at the heart of our defence, we were told we would get a loan player in to address this problem but since then we have all read/heard the club say that what’s the point as any loan player many not be fit and ready to make a difference before our injured players return!
Seems its ok to loan out but not loan in eh?
Excuses, excuses, excuses – we have heard them all!!
We have heard about enormous debts, we have many injuries, how players are very close to a comeback and they will be like ‘new signings’! Then there is ‘only so many quality players available at the moment, there are lots of wealthy teams searching who can pay more for the player’, and the one I like at the moment is:
‘The climate is not right’!!
What does that mean, is it raining, is it too hot, maybe a bit of fog, haven’t these negotiators got brollys? Ok, I jest a tad about the climate, we know Wenger is talking about the world of finance but either way, it’s just another reason given in attempt to justify not building on the current squad.
I think I have heard every excuse that is out there but Arsenal get away with it, year after year!!
Mugs?
You bet Stan’s bottom dollar we are!!
Written by Steve Palmer
Morning all….
SSP, you have done is again… 🙂
Want Stan Out???
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/get-kronke-out/signatures
spurs down road
Nice post SSP!!
Check this out…..
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/1992-to-2011.html
Morning guys and chicks of the Gunners Faith.
Well done Sir SP. A welcoming article straight from the heart of a true fan. We are all hurt. Hurt not at our shortcomings, because we know that sometime someone will be better than us. But hurt because we are all taken for a ride. We are all being considered with contempt. We are seen as an object of someone’s toy. We are not being given the dignity a supporter should have.
good morning
news:
Cissoko (Lyon) – Newcastle ? 🙁
Adrian (Académica) – Everton ?
Joketic (Firenze) – chelsea? (good midfield player. International from Montenegro)
Giovanni dos Santos (totts) Bolton ?
Morata (Real Madrid – B) Arsenal ? (forward- 19 yeard old)
Abidal (Barcelona) – stays in Barcelona for one or two more seasons
Samba (Blacburn) – totts ?
Those figures just about sum us up lee, we are nothing more than a selling club….
Hi JM. Morata will be available on LOAN. From RM.
Oh Lord. I am seething with anger. Getting a youth player from RM on loan.
i don’t think we have any devine right to win matches, but it is the way we look so half hearted in so many games, if we played like a team, fought hard and lost then i can stomach that – but playing the way we do, with the tactics we do and the failure to change things when it’s not working really riles.
we play a system which worked so well with the players we once had but those players and the the abilty to play such a way are long gone.
we play players out of position and expect them to perform miracles and all because we have a board that lacks a desire to spend on what we really need….
Top players are sold and as Steve says, replaced with poor substitutes…
‘We are seen as an object of someone’s toy. We are not being given the dignity a supporter should have’.
Spot on devil….
More news:
Hazard (Lille) Chelsea? 25 million
David Teixeira (Groningen) – Liverpoll?
Joe allen (Swansea) – Liverpoll?
Defoe (Totts) Liverpoll?
Squillacci (Arsenal) – Mónaco?
Henrique (S.Paulo) – QPR ?
Falque silva (juventus) – Toots on loan soutampton
Kamara (Partisan) – Chelsea? Liverpoll?
That table only tells half the truth Lee and Rico. The real yardstick should be Manure, the dippers and the spuds. Because they keep on spending each season. For example a large chunk of the money that the Chavs and Shitty spent has been since 2005 onwards. How much did they spend before??? So basically what they have spent in the last six seasons gets divided by the last twenty years so it tells only half the story.
If one takes into consideration the spending that AFC have done pre Emirates decision and after one will see a very different story. When the Emirates decision was taken the club deemed it fit to give us a championship squad. But now its the debt clearance which comes first.
I am not defending the club’s board or manager. I am just pointing out reality. I feel we can payback the loan and get in new playes besides clearing out the deadwood.
NO AMBITION
WHO WOULD WANT TO JOIN US!!!!
STAN AND THE BOARD OUT!!!!!!!!!!
USMANOV PLEASE SAVE US!!! you wont have to spend much on facilities, everything is in place, we just need a world class team!!!!!
Funny the excuse i’m hearing the most now is how we have four fullbacks out. Gibbs – always was and always will be injured. Santos – overweight and not the best at defending. Jenkinson – bit part player in a championship team, certainly not ready for a top premiership team, in fact, shouldn’t be in one. So really, our only true loss is Sagna! Wenger said at the end of December that it would be finish for us to fail because we had fullbacks out injured, suddenly the tune has changed. Same way he said a serious club could not sell Nasri and Fabgregas when it was obvious to the world they would be leaving. Yet failed to replace them. We are reaping the rewards of incompetence during the summer transfer window. At this rate, we will end up having to spend more money in the long run, to get back in the top 4. All we needed was a little proper investment in the right areas, not indulgent buys like Wenger has always made. When will people wake up and smell the coffee that Wenger’s days are over, he no longer has the answers, tactically or even in buying talent. It hurts that defeats no longer hurt.
I don’t attend games, bcoz i live in Norway.. But i watch all the games, so i quess i ‘m a mug.. I’ m also sick of this shit !!
Wenger and the board out !
But Manure have been winning devil, their spending has worked..
I understand what you are saying but looking at us only and post emirates which, as much as we had to go into debt, we are also making the most the club has ever made.
The main thing that gripes me is not paying off debt, the turnover at the gates, ST’s, tickets and merchandise can all take care of that, but what stinks is we sell players for a lot of money and don’t spend that money on players to replace them..
Player sales = player signings, not paying off debt…
We are sacrificing the team/results to pay for the stadium…
Gaffer, that is what i would like to see happen too…
pacman, you are a fan, matters not where you live, i bet you dip into your pocket for something afc related?
i don’t go to many games and i’m in the uk but i pay for the tv coverage, shirts etc, but no more….
Markb – welcome..
The only bit i disagree with is Jenkinson, i’m not sure he was expected to make such a quick introduction to the PL as he had to and in the main, he’s been very good imho – he’s an afc fan, always has been and he’ll give a lot work effort and passion than most…
Wenger – well, i’m still hanging on with the fact that he gets paid £7M to be Stan/Ivans mouthpice, yes that makes him guilty too and he should be changing things on the pitch.
Would love a new owner who cares and is prepared to spend, then see what Wenger does…
If the club want to use the ‘climate ‘ excuse,then we should accept it.We are not insulated from the ‘climate’ either,so we should expect ticket prices to be adjusted down accordingly.
The reality is that not too many of our current squad would start at most other Premier clubs.How sad is that ? We turn our noses up at the likes of say Mick Mcarthy,(I agree he is no Arsene Wenger), but would he tollerate lack of commitment/stupid mistakes/lack of concentration/ability on a weekly basis from individuals and keep picking them.I doubt it.
cgander, change your name back and you can come on… 😉
Morning all,
Well done Rico i think we’ll call this one a joint effort.
Mugs we certainly are, Cahill at an unbelievable low price Samba will be the same. Going or gone to our competetors and we look for loans unbelievable. I hate what Spurs are acheiving and my hopes was raised as we caught Chelski and overtook them. But no ambition shown when it really matters, and we drop back down the league, i hate to say it, but Last year springs to mind , In for the quad and slowly but surely we missed out, for the want of two crucial signings. Groundhog day comes round again, This team is a shambles, points are being dropped, crucial points. there are no excuses that can be stated, that shows no ambition from the management. we are a nearly team that will fall away untill Kronke is removed. Show ambition with a couple of quality players and we would see players that show no interest, regain their enthusiasm. If not, the Mugs will recieve nothing . Ive signed the petition, i urge all supporters not to wait as long as our management, to do the same.
Hi melvyn, good point re the ST’s but i bet they go up again….
I will stand by what I said yesterday and the day before. Fifa is scared of match fixing. And so am I. Every club, every player, every person is human.
The italian player was asked to throw a third dvisions (YES A THIRD DIVISION) match for the sum of Eur200k. So can you imagine the astronomical sums a premier league game might command.
Certain results in the italian first division took long to be discovered and one club was demoted. Others had points deducted and the country is still feeling the effects of the scandal.
The English premiership is no exception.
There must be some reason why players who continue to let the team down still end up being picked. And they are all on good wages.
At least our goalkeeper is confident we can finish in the top 4. Although i don’t believe it. Thank the board. Those money grabbing pigs…
Morning Steve
That narks me too Both Cahill and Samba, cheap and imho are both better than Merts…
You suggestion our players are corrupt devil?? 😉
ADK, if he plays like he did on Sunday we won’t – in fact i don’t think we will anyway, not with this team for a few more weeks…
Hazard to Chavs??
Samba to Spuds??
No-one to us…..
Morning Devil, good points on fixing, this is one of the hardest things to prove, but anybody with any football experience can see how easy it is to fix, Giving the ball away is a sure sign that an attack will happen against you, Top players do that all the time, goalkeepers full length diving to save a penalty but in the wrong direction, a trip inside the box, forwards skying shots when its easier to score. i watch many many games on the tv, and it looks to me that football is without question fixed, Refereeing decisions where we are not supposed to question. and touchline technology that they fight not to impliment. Where the supporter see’s fairness as part of the game the authorities only want to be the ones that decides complaints. Song was banned for a stanp that the referee missed but on video evidence he was banned . a penalty was given against us which was proved a dive but video evidence is not used. football is definitly fixed but you try and prove it.
Just pray we dont loose RVP
You never will prove it Steve as you say, unless someone spills the beans – and though it pains me to say this, the only newspaper that might have done is now shut down….
But, it’s coming out in cricket, if it is going on in the Pl, one day i am sure they will be found out – just look back to the Bruce Grobelar (spelling) days?
SD, i read that RvP has been praising Barca 🙁
The amount of times i have watched televised games, lets say for instance a spuds game, Van da Vart is running the midfield involved with everything couple of shots and half time comes, dureing the break an advert comes on from a betting company some fat ike offers 7.1 vdv the next scorer, the game resumes and vdv is hideing. Now is that just a coincident.
joint effort Steve, nah, all yours 😉
Sometimes yes Rico. That is the way I feel. A mistake is a mistake if it only happens once. If it is kept on repeated then it is not a mistake but either the person doing it is un utter idiotic chump or else is doing it on purpose. We keep seeing the same mistakes over and over again. Do they remain mistakes??? Its up to those who observe silently and over a long time to decide.
Sir SP……….you are right. Without tangible evidence match fixing is very difficult to prove. It took the Italian authorities around 6 years of phone tapping to finally nail the culprits. And believe me it is still going on.
Have to pop off for an hour or so, back in a while….
devil, you recall my comment after the leeds game when Henry scored the winner?
‘if i was such a cynic i would say it had been staged’….
…..of course we can overcome a season or two with the club out of the champions league. We are so brilliantly set up that money will be no problem and we can survive.
I can’t see RVP signing for us…also someone will pay £25m/£30m for him so those pricks upstairs will hit that bid…. we are a fucking joke club!
Morning Rico, Steve Palmer, devilgunner and all you other Gooners.
I probably didn’t log onto Highbury House until a couple of months ago, but having done so, I have really enjoyed the comments, and views of other true Arsenal fans. So different to having a pee at half time at the Emirates, after having watched a below par performance from the likes of Squillaci, Arshavin, or the countless other gutless players that are now allowed to pull on the once great Red and white shirt, and to be met by brainwashed fans who just say “Arsene knows.”
Well to all those brain washed fans, Arsene has shown quite clearly that he does not know, anymore. I am bored at the same tactical substitutions, like for like, never a change of formation, and when we fail to break teams down who parked their bus across their half of the pitch, out come the same old Arsene excuses after the match.
He has been fantastic for Arsenal FC, and along with David Dein was instrumental in us watching some wondrful players grace the turf of Highbury and the Emirates and watch sublime total football.
But that was then, and this is now. He needs to take a long hard look at how things are now, even with all the injured players back, we are still short of world class players. He surely cannot be happy
with what he sees out on the pitch, the time has come for a change.
My son and I are both Red card members, but I will not be renewing them for next season. I will never stop supporting Arsenal, but I just cannot bare to watch what is happening
to my Club.
Feel sick at how the Board can treat the true fans, and expect to get away with it. Staying away is the only true action to take, maybe then the Board will sit up and listen. Add that to not qualifying for the Champions League and not being able to attract or keep great players, Arsenal will go back to where they were, when I first started supporting them in 64, a team that finished tenth or 12th.
Morning Gooners
Morning Rico.
Morning Sir Steve, opened a can of worms today ain’t ya…. 😉
I don’t see the logic of blaming Kronke for 7 trophy-less years. You can make all sorts of excuses for what has happened over the last few weeks, if it wasn’t for the fact that all the things wrong with this team at the moment are just a repetition of what has happened year after year.
If Kronke’s financial commitment to the club is the problem, what does that say about the chairmen of Blackburn, Swansea, Fulham and all the other clubs who have beaten us this season. Why on earth have we come to accept the idea that Wenger spending money is a better prospect than Wenger not spending money ?
Have we all forgotten that it was Wenger who boasted how he could develop a team from scratch by investing in youth. It was Wenger who happily signed his £7m contract and promised us all jam tommorrow. I don’t hear that boast now and I don’t see many of those ‘stars of tommorrow’ shining now.
Wenger may once have been a great manager for Arsenal, but only when David Dein was pulling his strings. Since Dein left the limitations of Wenger as a manager and coach have drained the club of it’s ambition and potential.
I’m sorry Rico but I can’t for the life of me see how getting rid of Kronke would have altered our last two away performances. At the moment I don’t care who is chairman because I don’t think that is where are problems lie.
But that is the script Lee…….
We will not qualify for the Champions league
Neither for the Europa league
Players want to leave because they are not in the Champions lge.
So……
RVP…….25 to 30 mill
Theo…..20 to 25 mill
AA………10 mill
Song……15 mill.
That would make a tidy sum of 70 mill.
Why is it that the club ran constantly after TV and he signed??
Why dont they keep on running after the above four? because they can be replaced by young players already on the club’s books.
The vision of AW is to have a team made up from players who were bought up from teenagehood by AFC…..Wilshere, Ramsey, Coquelin, Frimpong, OX, Ryo, Afobe, Aneke, Ozyakup, Jenkinson, Yennaris, Szcesney etc. They will not be on high wages. Players like the four mentioned above are all tools to buy time…so that they can fill up places until these players make the grade. If wo why were Almunia and Mannone persevered with. Why was Jens resigned. Same goes for Campbell and Henry.
Yes TH was King once. But if we were well equipped with star players he would still be back to the emirates….as a supporter not as a player. IN THE STANDS NOT ON THE BENCH.
My fear is that if we don’t qualify for champions league, we may lose the likes of Djourou, Arshavin, Rosicky, Walcott, Diaby, Gibbs, Almunia, Squillacci and Chamakh to bigger clubs.
Hiya Marinello……the AKB’s irk me and get under my skin as much as the scum do. For me both are on the same level.
Hiya AK. How are you mate???
Mark B…….LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
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shit…..should have been smileys instead. I left my caps on
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Well said Marinello, Arsenal like to tell the world that season ticket waiting lists are brimming and give each future supporter a number and how long you will have to wait to recieve your ticket, many supporters will remain lifelong supporters but will end up watching games at home rather than spend tthe money to line fat cat owners pockets. Home games produce £3million a game but we have to scratch to get a loaner for a couple of months. we enlist cheap inafectual players and win nothing. Empty stadium is the only way these people will see that supporters are not happy, they will sell tickets on the door like it used to be, and televised games in an empty stadium is exactly what they deserve.
Guys,
Why stress? I thought I couldn’t get more hurt than I was over the past few years but I was just deluding myself, as everytime we sink lower, my heart rips and my blood starts boiling.
the thing is, Wenger has tied a noose around his neck and it pains me to say this but it is getting ever so tighter by the week. We have manure coming up and then soon after the spuds. Anything but wins and surely, surely his job should be on the line and has to go at the end of THIS season. End of. Period. end of convo.
I want my arsenal back. win or lose, they always gave their best on the field and we did likewise on the stands…even when we were getting battered by the old liverpool, we still sang our hearts out and appluaded the players, why? Because they gave everything and it SHOWED. This team???? I let my fellow gooners comment on that as i’ve had enough.
You don’t go to a pub that sells bad beer, why should you go to a match that plays Shite.
catch you all latter
Steve, 11.51;
Interesting points….
How about this scenario.
Ursmanov takes control.
Dein returns, Hill-Wood leaves, Gazides leaves.
Dein takes over as CEO and takes over the recruitment of new players again, as he did when Arsenal were sucessfull.
Ursmanov finacially guarantees the deals Dein negotiates.
Works for me!
Sometimes when I hear the phrase…..I cannot find quality players in the transfer windows…..I fall about the floor laughing.
Then when I read that……we tried but we could not succeed in getting our player…….I sit down and cry.
And for what the hell are you paid 7 million a year for dinkum????
Marinello, that is a very negative pessamistic comment you made there mate, very sad and lacking any kind of positives….. Shame it’s all true….
Steve, Kronke wasn’t around 7 years ago true but he’s been a round for 4/5 years now and his total lack of leadership from the top has to be a major concern, he didnt take over and say right lets get the show back on the rd…. he didnt tell wenger to go buy who we need and show some intent he’s simply sat back and is letting the board do the saem shit they have done for years while he milks the funds…!
Agree wenger is a problem for sure and as have said many times on 7mil a year he shoulders huge blame but what if a board took over and said there you go wenger there’s 150million got get the quality we need to compete if he says its fine I have the players I need then he needs a one way ticket to siberia if he spends it on quality then we would know exactly what the problem was the last 7 years.. a board only interested in share prices and lining their pockets.
Hi Devil, you ok habib?
mark b,ha fuckin ha!! 😆
AK works for me too!!
Devil, Wenger can identify the players ok.
But with a tosser like Gazides negotiating, we have no chance.
And make no mistake, any doubts on the financial front, have to be signed-off by Kroenke…
Not bad habib. We are all fine.
I AM NOT FINE……..I HATE ALL THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH. I HATE IT WHEN WE LOOSE. AND WHEN THE SCUM ARE AHEAD OF US.
Besides that I am fine. 😆
Sorry Sid, all first comments go into moderation…..! Now your free to chat away mate…!
http://www.debatabledecisions.com/tables
Did you guys see this;
Makes me look at Devil’s corruption theory in a new light.
Top 4, champions league and silverware… Thats what i keep hearing as aspiration. With the worst defense ive seen in years, and poor attacking options and the main candidate (and highly likely only player to be signed in jan is RVPs 5y old son). BS! Were going to finish 6, rvp and walcott will go, top players wont want ro sign as they want champ league. I like wenger and want him to stay so really pains me to say, sign marquee in jan or resign or next year we are seriously going to struggle for top 6. Ps, silverware this year, theyre having a laugh, and im having a good cry.
Sid, Wenger has a contract, i believe, until 2014.
He will stay until then, of that i am certain.
But i still blame the Board, sorry Steve….. 😉
I blame the board for not managing Wenger.
I don’t think the problem is that they have not supported him.
AK: Works for me too. Now Danny Fiszman has gone I just wish there was some way for the club to bring back Dein and make use of his undoubted talents.
Steve, the board were only to happy to give wenger free reign he has made them a fortune….! That’s why they need to go… Scavengers who have conned and bullshitted us all for years and made a fortune out of it as well.
A new board, wenger either fits in with the new regime or goes too, simple..!
Mark B, now is not the time for humour…..
Apart from Walcott, I cannot not see any other club wanting to pay a fee for those players. They are either injury prone or gutless, or both.
“fucking clown shoes” thats what we are! and they are sitting in there ivory towers (board and players) getting exactly what they want £££££££££££££££ and we are the mugs paying it, we are even paying for that cock ‘feeble legs’ diaby to have a jolly up in the usa while he gets ready to return for one of his three games a season on 60 grand a week!!! i for one will be boycotting games and have refused to buy the replica kit (with the wankiest two bob transfered badge worthy of 125 years (cant even show pride in appearance) for this season) until drastic things change, as i read earlier pain of loosing no longer hurts as we expect it…. i want my club back! cut me i bleed red and white, does the board??
and i fucking hate diaby!!! ….. now breath.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/1470/06/bayern-munich-aiming-fight-english-interest-land-ajax-ace
can’t find quality players my Arse!!!, he should have signed Jose Enrique instead of fat Santos, he could have made a bid for N’zogbia or even Downing instead of Benayoun, jury’s out for Gervinio! he could have tried Bellamy instead of Park, and the big one he sould have signed. Samba / Cahil/ Vertongen/ the tea lady at the emirates, instead of Mertasacker.!!!
These are all quality players with premier league experience and relatively cheap ones
Lee, will you piss off with all the rumours of other teams looking at buying players while we sit and do nothing as usual…. it’s making me even more f’ked off…………!!
W.A.T.H. no worries mate.
Seriously, why can’t we all get together and make a stance???!!! We need to boycott a couple of games – more if we hav to – to drive home the message that we are past UNHAPPY. I for one has lost the will to live because of what is happening to my beloved arsenal. Are the blackburn, manure fans better than us? I’m not saying it will change something but at least it will send out a message that Arsenal still has its REAL devotees who truly care about the crimes committed against its great name and heritage. I day crimes but what is wenger and the borad doing is nothing short of criminal negligence.
People think i am crazy to call for wenger’s head, but i think he stayed here four or five years longer than he should have had. Arsenal were great long before he came and he built on it; proof? we were already second in the league when he gave his televised interview that no one understood. I was there when we beat Shef Wed to go top of the league. All wenger brought was vierra, petit and anelka and we won the double, why? because we had Adams, Keown, parlour, seaman and wrighty etc. etc. Warriors. True arsenal warriors. With wenger’s training/diet methods arsenal rocketed up the table but others have now caught on and gone even past us. Apart from that, i never rated his tactis and man management and the stats speak for themselves (monaco included).He is a wimp and his players become so. Now, i think he’s covering up for the board as they bleed the club dry and once it all goes to the wall, they will come out and say they took the club as far as they could and it’s now time to move on…on their terms of course! who is the loser in all of this? suffered years and years of hurt and pain only to go back to square one? now that is what i mean by criminal negligence. I can go on, but this article is already long and unless wenger BUYS (no gimmicks please) this jan then he’s a dead man walking if he isn’t already.
Spot on Roka, wenger speaks to the masses and the gullables take in all his spin and bullshit… you don’t need 30million pound players just maybe 3 x ten million quid players all of whom would improve the team and the squad and make us far more competative…! Instead we get the leftovers and the excuses about nearly “signings” and slipped through our fingers and we made an offer… blah blah blah… yeh right and we’re all really stupid to keep falling for the same old crap… Prob is a lot still are…!
Holy cow. I did not even see that AK.
What a table!!!!!
So in the same week as the scum went to the top of the table regarding the first club to reach 1000 goals conceded in the premier we are bottom of the league in the decisions against.
I TOLD YOU THERE IS SOMETHING FISHY GOING AROUND. AND IT STINKS.
Steve;
The Board give Wenger a free hand because he saves/earns them revenue.
Dein is a fan, yes he wants to see a financially responsibly run football club.
But he also wants a team that competes on the pitch and challenges for honours…
Does Hill-Wood?
Does Gazides?
Does Kroenke?
The first , is an idiot.
The second, is a company man.
The third, is concerned only with the bottom line.
Cannot believe that we are not trying to get Samba, £10m.
I am not convinced with the likes of Mearsacker, or Djoureau etc.
Maybe the German will take a year to settle, but to me he appears awkward on the ball. And he is non existent at dead ball situations.
Still no point in persueing this subject, going on Arsene’s record of buying Centre backs, Sendeross, Cygan, Steppenovs, Luzny….. I rest my case.
I hear you W.A.T.H. about the Board and Wenger having a mutual understanding relationship. He makes them loads of money, and gets a nice bonus at the end of each season on top of his £7m salary.
Rumour has it that there is room being made next to the statues for Pat Rice along with the bench that he has occupied for the last few years, without moving off of. I know that he is loved by Arsenal supporters, but Charity is one thing…….
Sid, I agree with you 100% that it’s about time blogs and bloggers maybe stopped maoning and actually did something…. It’s easy to sit here and moan, it’s easy to then say ah but what difference will it make, well why don’t we try and see what a difference it makes….?? Ask pertinent questions.. Highlight the truth and thats not causing trouble its merely being honest. We as fans have been treated like mugs and conned for years by the board so why are we expected to sit by and just watch it happen…. Apathy that’s why.. people always wait for someone else to do something then first thing they do is say ah what shit that won’t help or make a difference….! Maybe for once we need to get off our arses and do something about it instead of sitting here moaning about it.
the bottom line is all those listed AK, don’t really give a fuck about the fans just the P & L….
WATH, the vertonghen link was to highlight that he can sign players, because they are out there even outside of the oman second division!! 😉
Invest in players named, does not guarantee success. Often causes more problems than benefits in a short / medium term.
there are three key aspects (the order does not matter) 1 – Good health and physical condition (Arsenal do not). There is a widespread yield loss in a game of many players and periodically 2 – Forming a cohesive team that plays as a whole, to overcome the difficulties (injuries, characteristics of games, opponents, etc.) that can, without loss of quality football , physical and psychic face any opponent with the thought of victory and able to ensure victory, regardless of the circumstances of the games. We do not have. 3 – Being united in all the designs in the field (degrees of confidence and basically that I quoted above) and the trust in good times and good times in the same staff, supporters, staff, etc.. There isn’t, especially since the middle of last season.
Tom, Notasgoodaspires, sorry all first comments go into moderation but now you can chat away….!
I know Lee but it’s f’kin depressing when we are more than aware of good players available and we won’t be buying any of them….!
Good points JM…!
Marinello, one for you, a mate of mine was reading something Wrighty said on twitter last week…. He said he had goose bumps when TH came on and scored… Also added he’d love to get back playing again but wenger would not have him around…. he don’t say “YES” enough….!
Very subtle and very very telling comment….!
W.A.T.H, spot on mate.
Just look at what Arry did at the spuds and look where they are? did he spend 30 mil on van da vart, scotty and bale? No, pittance. Why aren’t these players at arsenal instead of rosisky, arshavin and co?
Wenger is so stubborn he literelly chucked away titles and cups. I am convinced that he and the board agreed on a strategy to make them rich FIRST and then arsenal can reap the rewards years later but how about now? if we were looking for signs that we have gone backwards, and keep sliding, then look no further than the home game against the spuds. We used to be favourites even when we lose, but how many gooners can confidently say we’ll beat them? Personally i’m apprehensive and i know many gooners who feel the same. If that is not a shift in power than i don’t what is and who’s fault is that? Wenger. He took us from a position of strength (invincibles)all the way down to chokers, jokers, clowns, whatever you want to call us these days all in a space of 5 years!!!! lack of money? doubt it. lack of ambition. definitely. Bring back david Dein and appoint a new board. If wenger shows that he is truly incompetent and is not just because his hands are tied, then SACK him and let’s start from scratch. How long do we go on like this for? hell, do people even know what are in it for? 4th, that’s not even realistic this season. I thought we play football to win footbal matches and titles, not have a commercial venue that keeps shareholders happy!!!
AK: I am not trying to defend the board, although I do think that building the new stadium was an achievement and I didn’t see a lack of investment in the team when Dein was running the show.
I just think that Wenger is flawed as a manager and changing the board seems a complicated way of changing the manager.
yoa are wrong: Gervinho is a very good player; Mets too. Benayoun is good but not for playing all the 90 minutes and he is in dedline. Park it’s invisible.
One of the big (maybe the biggest problem of the last match) is we haven’t a good replace for Gervinho, specially in confident. If you remember the game, most of our attacks were from the rigt side and on the left side we had AA and Miquel (better then Djourou in front). Gervinho can not score goals, but it delivers a great game, takes the ball forward, the goal is in sight, has revolutionized the game in front. For example, how many corners we had in the 1st half? zero.
I hear you W.A.T.H. Maybe draft a petition, pinpointing our concerns as true Arsenal supporters. I just don’t think that the old prat Public School boy Hill Wood or Stan would give a f… or care about the true supporters views. Only when the Corporate boxes are empty, and Season ticket sales drop and people stay away, will they listen.
When you look at what we were Sid and what we are now………
Enough said…….!
The problem you have Steve, if you change the manager, is who will come in and work under the restrictions Wenger has to work under?
We ain’t gonna get one of the top coaches.
The club is rotten at the top.
Marinello, am saying it’s not to actually even get “AT” the board as your right do they give a shit, nope… BUT if you got enough people to read something and agree to it and got a concensus that many people agreed with that was merely to ask questions… we want answers it would maybe make then uncomfy that more and more people want answers to the same questions….! BSM did it earlier in the year and got moaned at as causing trouble to get wenger out and if ppl were bothered to read what they were asking it was nothing like that at all… Fans are fickle… stick to asking questions about money and investment NOT to remove the manager… ask why are the board not investing why are execs so highly paid yet commercial deals lag way behind others…? where does “OUR” money go… why have the board lied time and time again to the fans and list whats been said and whats never happened….. All about showing them up for the greedy pigs they are but doing it in the right way to try get answers…!?!?! yes – no…??
Sid, i respect your points buddy.
But don’t use Rednapp as an example.
One FA Cup win isn’t a lot to show for the millions he’s spent and a bankrupt Portsmouth…..
Marinello,
Stan deliberately left Hill-Wood as chairman, because that gin-swilling, cigar smoking fool, deflects attention away from what Stan is doing, or should be doing….
Gazides gets paid a fortune, not to spend…
AK I agree. Redknapp is getting it right with the spuds for now. But I think that they will eventually end up where they were always. With their best team they are already faltering and they are where they are now simply because Arsenal and to a lesser extent Chelsea keep messing up good situations. This year has seen us throw away games when we were in the lead and loosing/drawing games we should have won. I said yesterday that we have lost 13 points on Fulham, Swansea, BRFC and Wolves. 13 points that would have seen us second today just two points behind Shitty.
Lets see how we do against the Mancs. I bet old “Drinkers Nose” is rubbing his hands together at the prospect of facing a defence where no one takes responsibility. Wenger mentioned in his interview after the Swansea game, that our defence appeared nervous and showing a lack of confidence when the ball was in the last third, he frickin bought and selected that defence……..
Right I am offski now. Hope that by the time I come back tonight we would have seen Squilloffski together with Champoffski and Bendoffski. And we have signed around 5 international superstars.
c ya lata mates
Hi,
I still think that all whats going on is down to the terms of the Stadium, the Banks who financed all the building put down many restrictions, The pay back has to run its full length of time or we incur stiff penalties Wenger had to agree that he would keep his spending down to secure the loans, I believe that Wenger would only be allowed to spend if we were in a relegation struggle. I feel that money earned is being built up to eventually put us in a position to pay off the stadium and the penalties. Wenger has to manage as best he can untill that day comes . He will not be sacked and he will not resign. he gets his enourmous wage because he stays within the limits set him and works out cheap deals and loans just to keep us in the top half of the league, what is happening will stay the same untill the stadium is fully paid. Just my impression.
But i totally agree with your sentiments Marinello.
Nothing will change, until you hit them in the pocket.
When i go to games, i don’t spend a penny in the stadium, save for a programme, and that’s a load of crap now….
I don’t buy any replica kit [ thankfully my lads are grown up now ]
or any kind of scarves, hats etc.
Remember the club driving those independent hat & scarf retailers outta business outside the ground.
Now they can only sell merchandise that the club can get a cut from….
And it all goes into Stan’s pocket…….
What you say does make sense W.A.T.H. Being constructive with the questions and not being emotional re Wenger is the way forward.
If truth be known Stan has probably bought our debt off of the banks and we are paying him back, Thats why he seems so happy with things as they are
Devil, Sid, i’m not saying that Rednapp is a bad manager, he’s done really well this season, but i wouldn’t want him managing Arsenal.
I admit some of his transfer dealings have been impressive.
But lets see how long-term it is guys?
When Harry leaves, whether it’s to join the English FA or to spend time at Her Majesty’s Pleasure, we will see how solid the foundations are, that he has built at The Slum.
SP, the loan is for 25yrs….. if paid off early there is a penalty…!
The board said the loan was “ring fenced” against all playing needs and transfers and there was also a 40million loan facility if needed to buy players…!
All the board have done is to get the debt as low as possible to see the share price go up and make a packet on their shares, why get a 25yr loan if you intend to pay it off in 7yrs…? They have used all income to pay off the debt to keep the shares up and attractive to cover for the real “asset” on the pitch being poor…! The comercial deals are a joke, we earn next to nothing compared to other shirt deals and merchandise etc etc and they up for renewal next year or so… who will really want to spend big moeny on us when we are not competative…. Their short sightedness will come back to bite our arse big time BUT by then I reckon they will all have jumped ship anyway…! Who will pick up the pieces…?
Steve Palmer 1.06 I agree with your views here. There was definitely more proviso’s and stiff penalties put in place with he loans for the new ground. Sometimes, it pays to be honest with the fans. The true fan would still support the Arse, knowing that we would have to go 7 years to pay off the debt, but then after that, investment would be shown in the team.
It would have to show on the financials if Stan had paid off the loan SP noway has that happened….! The loan was very low interest about the only good thing Edelman do sort out and huge penalties if paid off early.
The debt is down to make them more money it’s the only reason you would want to pay off loads to make the “asset” more attractive as liabilities and debt are miles smaller than they were 5 yrs ago…!
Guys,
Don’t get me wrong. Arry is a dodgy wheeler-dealer and he and the spuds suit each other down to the ground. I will never have him at arenal and don’t worry, the spuds’s purple patch will soon revert back to type and they will slide down to their rightful place once the van da varts and modrics go. However, what does that say about US when a half-wit manager takes the spuds to third without spending big sums???? I know it’s temporary but that should be us reaping the rewards of a lenghthy transition period that promised much but delivered chaos instead. We were so patient and bit the bullet for so long but for what? to struggle for 4th????? I think wenger is very limited as a manager but if he was a tad open minded we wouldn’t be in this dire position. I really fear for us this season and the ones after, as i’m adamant RVP will leave (who will blame him?) this season if we don’t qualify for CL and then what? I am sure that AFC has become a feeder club; a selling club and no more but I for one wont stand for that…i love arsenal too much to allow that to happen and i just wish like-minded gooners will get together and make some noise to at least disrupt the day-light looting of our club’s resources for the sake of lining up the mafia’s pockets (that’s what our board are pure and simple, mafia and mercenaries).
Good points Wath, the sponserships as you said were a joke but at a time when we just needed money, we took what we could get, Even the catering inside the Emirates was a joke but we took the offer. these deals as you say are a joke, but the money was found by hook or by crook and we are stuck with them till they run out, we can only hope that we can secure better deals in the future,At the time there wasn’t to many options as i understand it.
it will still be interesting to see how the Spuds get on, if and when they invest in a new ground. That is unless Joe Lewis puts up the funds for it…..The game has certainly changed over the years, and really is a Business now. They used to say that if you invested in a Football Club, you must be Mad and be able to afford to lose your investment. I read somewhere that David Dein bought shares in Arsenal at a cost of £292k, sold a significant proportion of these shares to Danny Fiszman, then in 2007 sold his remaining 14.58% to Red & White holdings for £75m. What a return eh?
I have to say that i keep reading supporters asking for David Dein to come back, i would at this stage remind you who did he sell his shares to
Steve Palmer 1.36: Dein sold the remaining shares to Usmanov.
Did Stan but Fiszmans?
Sorry, freudian slip, I meant to say did Stan buy Friszmans?
Marinello, Stan got Fizmans and Lady Nina’s shares….
Ozman in please, Kroenke out now now now.
You can’t accuse the board of being self-interested, of arranging loan deals to line their own pockets and then moan because their commercial deals don’t make money.
The people who have made money from Arsenal share deals are Dein, Lady Nina and Danny Fiszman and as far as I know none of them wanted to sever their ties with the club.
Kronke has ended up paying a lot more for his shares than he expected to, but there is no indication that he plans to sell or that he would make a big profit if he did sell.
DD bought his shares from PHW in 1983 I think Marinello, a tidy return indeed and think you’ll find Fizman bankrolled DD the money in return for a holding over “x” amount of those shares which he then kept…?!?!? something like that anyway lol then they had the big falling out the rest is a murky story that one day may come out… maybe not…!
But surely a “speculate to accumulate” policy would be more logical, as WATH just stated who’s going to lucratively sponsor a team in decline, out of the CL and no closer to winning anything? The hierarchy seem hell bent on asset stripping (selling our best players)the club and relying on gate receipts/merchandise……
Hi all.
SP Marinello WATH your points about restrictions, loan penalties, debt control, share sales,etc make my head spin. Love the info though. Makes the scale and the totality of our issues more transparent.
you got to vote with for feet and stay away from the ground and don’t buy season tickets
Remember, the board and AW make their living out of you attending and purchasing
Fiszmans shares only became available on his death?
I read that Lady Bracewell Smith was practically ostracised by the rest of the Board before she sold her shares.
SD-London 1.46: Is that Donny Ozman?
Marinello…no jokes please! 😆
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_of_Arsenal_F.C
Her Ladyship had the shits with the other board members
Lee
There was speculation a few months ago of renegotiating some commercial/sponsor deals. I guess those intentions died cuz of reasons you mention.
Marinello says:
January 17, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Only when the Corporate boxes are empty, and Season ticket sales drop and people stay away, will they listen. ”
exactly Marinello
Ha ha, just thought it was time to lighten things up a bit.
Here’s one and I hope that it does not offend anyone here,
I had a happy childhood, my Dad would put me inside a tyre and roll me down a hill. They were Goodyears……
To actually say we can’t afford Players is an absolute Joke, we are down as the third richest club in the world only beaten by Real Madrid and Man UTD
Steve,
You must be an ‘insider’ as you seem to know what is going on at the club, because millions of us are at a loss to explain what is going on, except build a club up financially to make it attrative to potential buyers and sell for the highest profit you can make.
Even Wenger’s youth policy boils down to ultimately selling players. We nuruture them, play them in the first team knowing full well they are out of their depth but hey, wenger and his mafia bosses have a cunning plan and they only use the first team as a shop window for their stock. If you think winning football matches and (heavens forgid, titles) is their priority you must be mad…they must laugh at us emotional and dim fans who place winning above money??? what do we know us peasants??? they are the elite and they know what is good for the world…money and only money but it’s all for them and their kids and are merely pawns. God they must think we are so stupid and primitive to get this emotional about a silly game in which grown men (well feckless ballerinas in the case of AFC)kick a leather ball!!! well certainly they’re not THAT stupid to waste their time and money unless there was some return on it and AFC are the moment is merely a milky cow that they feed so as not to stave and run out of milk but dont expect them to actually care about the cow!!! we silly football junkies need help if we thought the game is about anything but money these days.
And we fucking loan 34 year olds, now that is a joke
Love your view Sid, were just Mugs mate thats all. because we do care.
well said Sid!
The Hill Woods have been on the Board for yonks. Its a bit like a Gentlemans Club, where membership is sometimes inherited. Peter Hill Woods father Dennis was once Chairman. He used to sit in the old West Stand and drop his cigar ash on the ‘oiks’ standing below. Wouldn’t know what a football was if it hit him in the face., j
Arsenal is steeped in traditional values, and there’s nothing wrong with that, just ask Cliff Richard (sic), but there comes a time when change is needed, not for the sake of change, but for reasons of improvement on what is already in place.
The trouble with this HillWood is that he needs an American to hold his hand up, the trouble is he’s never here.
Had enough of excuses from Wenger and the board. I don’t know why Wenger plays players who are not up to scratch. We need to clear out the rubbish and bring in some new faces. Samba would be perfect for Arsenal. He is just what we need and he can score goals too. Van Persie will leave and I don’t blame him. Wenger and the board are at fault if he goes and if he does go then they have to go. I want a manager who will play the players that perform well not just cause he made a mistake buying them and wants to prove people wrong for questioning his judgement. When has Wenger ever said sorry and taken blame for his own bad decisions. He’s arrogant and self righteous. Usmanov is needed to put him into place as Stan is just there to make money with no care for success. Stupid yank!
Steve,
We have to care. this OUR arsenal…OUR club…OUR family. Why do you think we are on this board if not because of hurt, care and love that we feel for our beloved club?
Thing is, i respect all my fellow gooners on this board and others who are standing up against what is going on…even with words only and knowing full well they will fall on deaf ears…but to me that is REAL SUPPORT for the club we all love and feel for, not enriching mercernaries and even clap them for taking us for mugs. Do you remember the good old days? we weren’t winning year in year out, but if you asked any man u, liverpool, leeds or even spuds fans before playing arsenal they would be worried, really worried and actually relieved if they managed to beat or draw us because they all knew we are the ARSENAL, fighters. We had an identity, a purpose and a way of playing, if not style, to win games or at least go down fighting. I had no qualms about shouting my lungs out for the boys in red and white even when 4 0 down to the scousers because up until the last mintue we were still arsenal, never losing our identity even when being hammered. You know what, even the opposite fans used to clap our boys for sheer tenacity and effort. I let you guys comment on what identifies arsenal these days because i have a lump in my throat and want to stop torturing myself because i’m hurting in a big way. Good day and keep the faith, because the ARSENAL will never die…of that i’m absolutely certain but we may have to wait a while before we wash away the stains of latter stages of the wenger era!
Steve, Fizman’s estate has made huge money on the shares so has LAdy Nina if she didn’t need to sell or want to sell they why sell “IF” you love the club, you can be forced out but you don’t have to sell… All the minor minor sharesholders have made big returns. The commercial deals are crap cos they were in a hurry to get money as SP says when at a time we needed finance to build te flats and stadium at once, we took what we could without getting the best deals so they mis-management and incompetence of the board goes hand in hand.
Yeah ! let’s all poke fun at Hill Wood. But just cos he sits in the posh seats doesn’t mean he’s not a gooner.
Can’t quite understand how it’s Hill wood’s fault that we bought Cygan, Silvestre and Squillaci to shore up our defence or why we have so many players we can’t give away because we have given them such fat contracts. Is it Hill Wood’s fault that Walcott has been at the club 5 years without improving or that no-one has sat down with the first team and explained to them what to do if the other side have the ball.
Steve, noone saying hillwood buys the players your on about and your 100% right… But hillwood and the board gave wenger the power to control and be his own boss, are they not there to sort him out and hold him responsible..? Have they, have they told him to get the results or he’s out…? NO… they have continued to pay him more and more for failure so what does that tell you…?
We are captain Iglo sailing the rough seas for fish sticks.
Yeh good points Steve, There are no excuses your right, every thing points to Wenger, and i must admit that i have been Wengers No fan since he came, i can’t explain to you why The ox and Ryo or even Park have not been used, i also can’t explain why Arshavin and Chamakh Diaby and the Squill have not been moved on, these have got me beat i must admit. Theo has played badly in my opinion and many more of the team are the same i can’t explain that either. How all of our fullbacks are injured is another thing i can’t explain why we keep reserve keepers who are an accident waiting to happen also has me lost for words, and yes Wenger comes to the front again, why we loan players instead of buying when its as plain as the nose on your face we need somebody also leaves me speachless, and again i look at Wenger. Every thing that goes on at Arsenal Football club, season ticket prices, the price of a shirt a skarf or the price of a burger at half time seems to rest in Wengers Lap, my only concern is that i like the guy i admire him and i have put my faith in him for so many years that i find it hard to blame him for all these things, i watch this man on the touchline i laugh when i see him do his basil Faulty when he kicks a bottle the trouble is i feel his frustrations and i watch his body languige and i can not believe a man like him ,with all the passion he has shown is responsible for this state of affairs , I am probably wrong and later on it may come out as so but i still cannot help myself in thinking that he will turn it round. Who’s the MUG
SP, have always respected your faith in wenger however foolish at times it may seem (to me), I too hear what your saying, even earning 7million a year why look like you still care and throw a tantrum when we lose or when we are shit…..?
If i am honest i would say it’s his ego that’s hurt that he knows he’s wrong and will never admit it, his belief in players proved to be foolhardy and his comments of watch us come good backfire and he’s made to look like the nutty professor………. The other side of the coin is that your correct he does care no matter what and maybe the 7million just keeps him quiet on spilling the beans on the board which is why i would replace the board first and give him the chance to redeem himself with buying proper players but if his ego says no and he wants to carry on as is then time for him to be moved on…! He would not be the future for taking us to where we aspire to be…!
Wath, i have listened to all you have said in the past and present you always say whats on your mind and i feel you are on the button. i feel that we are within touching distance from acheiving but are just that inch away from doing it, but the time for change is here Wenger or the board need to sort these finer points out , new additions are a must and whoever is responsible should either get on with it, or move on, and if it is Wenger, whatever is needed to make that step must happen.
Bottom line SP we all want what’s best for “OUR” club…. we all hurting and none of us really know if it’s wenger or the board or both hand in hand….. We’re not far off but we’re far enough off that also a few players out and we’re very average. Someone need to take control make exec decisions and get us back up to where we should be competing for trophies or there abouts not looking to scrape into 4th place and claim it’s like winning something as it sure as hell isn’t.
We have an invisoble owner and a reactive board who sit by whilst others take their clubs forward….. our new motto is supposed to be “Forward”….. what a joke… into the abyss maybe with that lot running the show.
Afternoon guys and gals….
Ah return of the Boss……….
Abt bloody time too 😛
Victoria Concordia Crescit “victory comes from harmony”.
Cheeky Wath 😆
Got caught in the shops, i hate it 😉
Good day I see, have we all solved how to ‘mend’ ‘OUR’ club??
DG, the word “Forward” is on this years badge is all over club level as well it’s the clubs new “in” word…….
Joke….. where are we going forward, in what areas…?
We ain’t solved anything Rico we just saying what we all been saying for yrs now, not just something thats happened last few games is it…?
Things look real bad at the moment, and although i believe we should buy at least a couple of players in this window, i have to say that the squad we have gave me the impression that we could actually win things. RVP a better striker we couldn’t ask for , Sagna also a great right back. Vermin And Kos as good as any Czezsney although i had my doubts has come on well Jack and Rambo looked really good, frimps and Song both tough nuts to crack, Santos Gibbs good down the left, even Theo when the pressures off can produce moments of pleasure the Gerve bothers every defence and the OX is just gagging to be used, Jenkinson has shown that he can step in at any position and gives his all and other fringe players who can also step in when needed. Injuries has killed that spark which i believed to be there , i still believe we will only get better as the season goes on and players come back, maybe to late to actually win the league but we have definitly got a squad when all fit to cause teams like Barcelona problems. As i said not that far away i feel despondant but i also know as Wenger does that gey=t all these guys back and we are as strong as any out there.
If it was “our” club we’d do something about the decline, trouble is it’s “their” club and they don’t give a toss…..and as SSP said earlier with 2/3 signings the rot would stop and we’d be on the up, hardly rocket science,eh?
No it’s not Wath, it’s not like we are throwing our toys out of the pram just beacuse swansea beat us, it’s been going on since 2006 ish, now though we are just maybe 1 or 2 seasons away from hitting rock bottom……
WATH I believe the former phrase is still written inside the neck of kits. BUT I agree if you’re not going forward your nose is at the back of your head.
I also think there’s a little too much harmony between board and coach. Being paid 7mil obviously tapes the mouth.
Not getting in to the Champions league would be the best of excuses thay can put on . They would sell the ‘main’ players then which would give them another 70+ bucks. We could seriously doubt their ambitions. every thing was staged right from the start of season.. They dont care as long as the fans pay them for most expensive tickets.
Then Wenger would say we have Joel campell to replace him as he told for numerous otherplayers before. Such ‘contamination from within’ almost ruined our club. Replacing class players with junk players and decepting every body. it made our club weaker and weaker and the team we saw sunday is it’s extremity.
http://www.fanfeedr.com/soccer/arsenal?id=6d0ba8a2-05d6-5ced-8ca3-a3d6ad794509
Thing that i just dont understand is: not too long ago we were so close to be able to win the PL, the season Gallas had his strop – we then went on a poor run, sometime feb/march onwards i think.
The same thing happened last season, up at the top, in with a real chance and the poor run, at a similar time in the seaosn happened again.
Yet, no-one at the club seem to realise this, no-one seems to see that this transfer windwo is just as important as the summer, each one gives the opportunity to add a fresh face or too to the squad and give the rest a lift.
Didn’t Arshavin’s arrival help us push on and get 4th when it looked highly unlikely??
Maybe if Wenger had a stronger No 2, the responsibility could be shared. Sometimes as we all know from work situations, getting a different point of view, to consider sometimes helps. Wenger appears to have a free reign and no can be right all the time in their decision making. Surely, Rice must talk to Wenger, during or after a game, or at training. I would like to think that Wenger will see that with just a few good signings, things could be a whole lot better.
The Swansea front man who appeared to terrorise the Arsenal defence on sunday was playing for Watford at the beginning of last season. But like a lot of players coming up from the Championship, work hard at their game, and remember where they started. Wrighty was the same, never taking anything for granted. Many of our overpaid players should take note, and not just expect to turn up at a game, and expect 3 points.
DG and too much harmony betwee our junk players for playing shit football !
I concur Rico, with two proper signings (not messi/ronaldo) this window i think it would give us the impetus and we could still get 4th….and that’s a trophy, no? 😉
Marinello, but at the swansea game AW was sitting on his jacksies, like a naughty school-kid….
I recall Ancelotti saying that before the PSG job AK, many didn’t think he’d be good for us…
I think it is considered to be a trophy these days lee 😉
Whats interesting about that article AK posted, if Ancelotti is truthing, it shows that players are out there who want to move – just two, that’s all we need..
Did we get a trophy for beating malasia XI ???
Stand in players are exactly that stand ins, Sagna and Gibbs are proper full backs they know the job inside out. a stand in may have a couple of games and do quite well but it wont last as it hasn’t. The same goes for players who are played out of position. Where a fullback looks to drive forward,a stand in, defends to the best of his ability but the attack suffers as we have many a times, Theo or the Gerve is up there on their own with no backing only to be disposessed for holding to long. A fluent team, need the right people in the right positions ,we are not a bad team as suggested. We have the players to play good football but our injuries have killed that, we will start playing very well very soon, and we will at least get top four i have no doubts
Did we beat them Stv 😉
Just been reading all the comments on here mostly today.
Through almost every comment i can sense a feeling of frustration and pain….
Frustration at the fact that we are so close to being a successfull team again.
And pain at the continuing repeat of the same mistakes with the same outcome…
I know that Wenger is on £7m p.a.
But i don’t, for one moment, think he is still at Arsenal for the money.
To me, his salery has never been an issue.
The issue, with all due respect to those commenting on here today, remains to me, The Board.
It always has been The Board. And it always will be!
Things changed when Dein joined.
And reverted to type when he left……
Until The Board free up the required finance to pay the wages and transfer fees for the top players. Both to keep what we have and to recruit new players.
Then nothing will change……
Rant over….. :P:
You honestly believe we will get top four Steve? Even if AW makes no signings this window?
Agree with you Kev. Wengr problem for me is he piggy back boards every move and speeks for them
How times have changed eh? 4th spot for Arsene and Arsenal being looked at as a trophy. Just shows how far we have fallen behind I suppose. Pity that the Board and Arsene couldn’t get sight of this blog, it would show them just how much we Arsenal supporters care about our club.
I love Steve’s optimism, and in most cases i side with his view.
But i honestly think we will finish 5th this season.
Scummers have a nice gap now and even if they drop a few points, it’s impossible for me to imagine that we won’t also drop more points.
The Chavs will spend, to ensure that they finish in the top four.
The Manc duopoly will fill the top two places.
The Scousers will fall away.
That’s my view… 🙁
A bit off subject here….
Rico, do you, like me, see the potential for a few posts from some of the fine contributors we’ve had on here today….
You guys out there should put your thoughts down and send them to Rico.
She’s always looking for new material and you guys have all got something worth saying.
Don’t be shy now… 😉
Spot on Marinello and one thing i would add to that and that’s we don’t all come on here calling them names etc etc, it’s all said rationally and because we care…
AK, i have a horrid feeling Dalglish may just buy a player or too and they will sneak 5th, and I wouldn’t rule out Newcastle yet either…
Our only hope is that all our injured come back soon with no setbacks and we don’t pick up any more injuries…..
4th, unless the chavs and totts implode, is a bit too much to hope for 🙁 🙁
Get all our players back and i believe we can beat anyone, I believe Wenger knows that as well and the board also know that. Although what AK has just posted is true i believe we still have a team that can win things. We have a squad of players that when fit can challenge for anything that comes up and could actually win them, Injuries is what has stopped us before and the club would not buy to cover, an expense they feel we don’t need but they were wrong, we are in the same boat now but we are just satarting the second part of the season with players coming back, important players. Sagna Gibbs Jenkinson Santos Jack all players that can turn a game, we still have not seen the best from the Ox Ryo Park and i am desperate to see them yes with our full team back we can do wonders of that i’m sure.
http://www.welcometothegunnerstown.com/arsenal/2012/1/17/lame-old-arsenal-financial-facts-prove-that-the-directors-ar.html
I heard we are interested in 5year old today. Maybe the board has future in mind after all. Far beyond our grasps. 😉
Steve – the only bit of your last that makes me disagree is up front, regardless of the others coming back, we still cannot score goals and if we can’t do that, we are still stuffed….
I didn’t say not buy, but we have guys that have not been used i canot say that they wont score because i havn’t seen them yet but they must be good at something.
Not seen that site before AK… but lee posted the ‘league of spending’ yesterday, or was it earlier – my days go by so quickly 😉
Found a phone today AK, does nearly all that the iphone4 does but not as expensive 😛
haven’t bought it, need to check with someone who about phones, now where is lee 😉
What are we as fans going to do about our situation with the board and our owner? Zilch.. nothing at all.
I’m guessing that the majority of the fans are fine with how the club is being ran, otherwise wouldn’t we hear it from the stands? a couple of sack the board or kroenke out? Some protests maybe? Nah? Didn’t think so, as the mugs we are we’ll keep going to games, and be angry on blogs, but when its business time, we’ll bend over and take it as we’ve been doing for the past few years.
Bring back Dein.
I do not know what it is called out there, but here in Nigeria, we call it a strike. Where u do not attend work to express your grieviances on an unfavourable policy. I think fans overthere should boycott a home game and an away game. It would do more good than harm and it would send a clear message to the power that be at the club.
czez
sagna kos vermin gibbs
jenks arteta jack santos
rvp ox
A team to be reckoned.
bench
new keeper song rambo theo gerve
Tevez (M. city) PSg
Cissoko (lyon) Newcastle
Hazard (Lille) Chelsea or MU?
Esp, trouble is, too many fans who go to the Ems are JCL’s, we saw at the beginning of the season a group of fans express themselves but the dd signings saved the protest from going on….
If things carry on the same way, the same group will start again soon and along the way, gather a few more disgruntled fans….
Newcastle are in for Pappis Cisse, he’s meant to be a cracking striker….
And we are in for – nobody 🙁
There and back again. from training that is not from middle earth.
How are you folks. It took me around 15 minutes to read all you had to say after I squillofskied. Blimey we did not sign any players yet?? 😆
I was just thinking a bit. Maybe AW does want 5th place after all………….so that he can play the young ones without any fear of the results. A perfect excuse not to be top four, not to sign anyone and to sell the 4 most saleable assets. What do you all say???
To early rico its only the 17th
by 5th place I meant Europa league. Maybe we can win a damned cup finally.
Yikes just heard on the news that we signed a nigerian…Nobo Diy
can play anywhere in the park even gk. Sum of 1million
steve, i’m not convinced by your line up 🙁
Hi JM, is that the nes where you are?
Can’t please all the people all the time Rico
and you will never see it either.
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The squad is not that deep and not enough quality (for top 4 yes).. imho dont think changing line up will solve all the problems.
devil 😆
Nah, no way would AW take such a risk Steve, Gibbs worries me – stick JV, M’vila and Remy in there and done – simples 😉
I was off work today awaiting the visit of a British Gas engineer, so had time to read the HH comments and jot a few down myself. Let’s see how the rest of the season goes with the returning players, and if we don’t expect too much and understand that the journey will be a bit bumpy, maybe, just maybe, we might be pleasantly surprised. (Can’t believe I just said that….)
Maybe a top 6 finish, FA cup final appearance,we must all try and be positive and understand that at the end of the day, win draw or lose, the team and Arsene drive away after the match and receive a nice big salary, that only you or I can dream of.
Marinello..
Waiting for a BG engineer makes me often wonder too 😉
But they never make me feel positive …. 😉
It’s clear we all want the symbiosis to return, in any shape or form. Enjoying the Arsenal life to the full. Dark days to be banished and replaced by deep appreciation. Therefore we dissect difficult aspects of delicate issues. Not to feel like children who’s hands are easily filled. We are the Arsenal whoever comes or goes.
But in the meatime DG – we all hurt……
Off to have dinner….
True Rico. Can’t argue with that. But we vent with fundamental arguments to ease the pain. Logic can be bandaid in such times. To stop the bleeding till the next match.
Bon appetite Rico. Enjoy your meal.
Night night Rico, Steve, Steve Palmer,Dutchgunner, Goonster, W.A.T.H,STV, Devilgooner and all you other lovely Gooners. Just off for a pint across the Lock. Any predictions for the Mancs game…. I really enjoy all the different points of view and sometimes hilarious comments from you all.
I’ll try and come back tomorrow lunch time.
Take care all.
Marinello.
That is also true DG, and it’s better to vent here than at those who don’t ‘understand’….
Thank you, i did 😉
Rico here different views are respected and taken into serious consideration.
There are these blogs that are nasty one issue monsters. Go off topic your head ends on a symbolic plate paraded through following comments.
Night Marinello. Have one on the HH. 😉
Take care Marinello, have a good night….
DG,
that’s all i ever hoped for when HH came to life, we all have a view and not always will they be the same – but, respect for eachothers view is so important…..
Right you fine folk, i am heading off for the day…
Have a very good evening and catch up tomorrow…
Be good all and stay safe ….
Nighty night…
It’s clear that all posters here appreciate the freedom of speech.
It brings a lot to think through. I can’t contribute much substantial as I am on smartphone all the time.
Cheers Marinello, enjoy ya pint mate….!
Night night all.
Nite Rico, enjoy ya horlicks and all that soap rubbish on the goggle box 😉
Cheers DG, take it easy…… I must def change my deoderant I appear and you all run off….
Night WATH. Enjoyed your contribution. Makes the soup not so hot as it’s served.
Was good chatting DG, have a good one fella….
hi, if we loose next sunday we fall down to the 7th place… bye bye CL and European League
I am not looking forward to Sunday JM………..
Not in the slightest.
Samba hands in transfer request, guess where he is going?!
To a club with ambition.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/230807/Peter-Hill-Wood-Exit-won-t-hurt-Arsenal/
You couldn’t make this shit up….TH12/Arteta doubtful for Sunday! Will it take a drubbing by the mancs to force the stubborn twat’s hand in the transfer market? Is that what The Arsenal have succombed to…..A total disgrace what’s going on!!
Early rant over….morning Rico!
The 27-year-old centre-back has officially handed in a transfer request atEwood Park, but Blackburn boss Steve Kean insists he is not for sale.
PSG, Tottenham and QPR, who have already tabled a £5 million bid for the defender, are just three clubs out of a handful said to be interested in Samba.
Graham believes Arsene Wenger should target Samba to reinforce the Gunners defence, which has now conceded the most away goals in the Premier League.
Speaking on the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast Show, Graham said:
‘You look at the Arsenal back four and they keep changing. Both of the full-backs are injured and they’re playing centre-halves there. There was a young Frenchman playing against Swansea [Ignasi Miquel ] who was completely out of his depth.’
Graham then went on to suggest that Samba would make the perfect defensive partner for the injured Thomas Vermaelen :
‘I’d be in for Samba [to help out in defence.] Thomas Vermaelen is one of the best centre-halves in the Premier League and they need to get him back as quickly as possible.
‘They need a strong defensive centre-half to play alongside him though and Samba would make the perfect partner.’
from George Graham….
Morning folks
another teenageer linked……..a gk this time
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2088193/Arsenal-alert-keeper-Stefanos-Kapino.html
Make of this what you will………
“PSG boss Carlo Ancelotti told reporters that Torres is one of several players who have been offered to him in the past fortnight.
“There is a lot of choice for this January market,” said Ancelotti, who took over at the French club last month. Pressed to name names, the former Chelsea coach said: “OK, now I tell you the players the agents are offering on the market, officially or not: Carlos Tevez, Fernando Torres, Dimitar Berbatov, Roman Pavlyuchenko, Edinson Cavani, Fernando Llorente.”
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/football/premier-league/44444/sale-duds-arshavin-and-torres-poised-leave-london#ixzz1jnFBGIV7
THERE IS A LOT OF CHOICE. THERE IS A LOT OF CHOICE.
and we keep hearing that the good players are not on the market.
Morning Devil….according to a red top over here, we need to get smashed by manure before AW dips his toe in the transfer market!
All of them would help out!! 😆
Morning lee & devil..
just been reading about wenger not spending unless we get battered again, what a joke, what a way to look at things….
my patience with him are wearing thin….
beggar’s belief
it is the sun though lee 😉
Pardew didn’t hang around getting cover for Ba, they have signed
Papiss Cisse
Let’s face facts…….. as much as we go on about the board Wenger is the the problem….!
They love him making money, they let him rule the roost but he buys players he sets the wages he sets ticket prices for fuck sakes and do any of us really believe if wenger said to the board give me 100million or I walk out of here they would not give it to him…?
He’d get in in 2 mins flat…….. his stubborness and ego is what’s stopping us getting back to where we were….
Hi Wath,
Put like that, he can go too then….
Hillwood really is a complete and utter geriatric bufoon………… he needs to be locked up for the sake of all Arsenal fans everywhere….!
by stubborn bollocks selling all the dead wood(that the fucker bought in the first place) is like admitting he’s fucked it!
i’m so glad i jogged my ST on…
when’s the tosser sober enough for these interviews or is the daily star reporter plying him with G & T’s?
Morning Boss,
Morning Lee, his medicine is Brandy mate…..! They must wheel him out a quick double let him blab for 5mins get his slurs and wheel him away again til the next time he talk more shit…!
Talk about detached from reality……. Sums up the lack of ambition eh….!
Trouble is the more I talk about it the more wound up I get and you just know that none of them are doing the same…..
How many shares does PHW still have? Cant AU make him an offer?
That what urks lee, he buys the crap and then just stands by them regardless instead of getting rid – like wath said, he spends too much time with his conk poked in other areas of afc which he shouldn’t be doing, we need a manager and he isn’t managing these days….
You see the other article in The Sun about ‘life after arsene wenger’??
Exactly – we all suffer and they all sleep well each night, it’s wrong buts unless Stan sacks Wenger, things won’t change, and we know he won’t do that all the time wenger is looking after his pocket….
New Post going up….