LvG expects to win! Keown and Neville sort Arsenal defending out….

Morning all.

LvG is a confident man ahead of our fixture tomorrow:

‘I think the balance in our selection is much better than last year, so I believe in that. But the most important thing is not only that I believe, but that the players are believing in that. When we win at Arsenal the belief will rise a lot.’

He fully expects Utd to turn up at The Emirates and roll us over! Why shouldn’t he feel confident, Utd sit top of the tree, they are scoring goals and Mata and Martial are stealing the headlines. Crikey, they even managed to win a game in Europe during the week so of course, they’re favourites for this game in many peoples eyes.

We of course have struggled a bit as usual at the start of a season and our European adventure has been nothing short of diabolical. Our defending  has been woeful and not just in Europe. For our season to improve our defending really has to be sorted out. It beggars belief why it hasn’t been already as it’s not something new is it?

But where does the blame sit? The coaching, quality of players or the players themselves simply not giving their all?

I’m no footballing coach but Martin Keown, once a very good defender has given his opinion:

When I was at Arsenal, we spent hours on the training pitch working on set-pieces. It was mostly zonal marking, but we made sure we marked the player in our zone. It doesn’t seem like that happens now.

It looks like Arsenal aren’t splitting up the best headers of the ball — you’ll often see Laurent Koscielny and Per Mertesacker next to each other when they should be covering a wider area. Koscielny will be absent through injury, so Gabriel and Mertesacker will need to communicate well.

For corners I used to stand on the penalty spot. I didn’t like going to the back post as I wasn’t as tall as Tony Adams and if someone leaned on me they might stop me jumping, which is what I relied on. We’d also have Patrick Vieira on the near post and Emmanuel Petit near me. These are all big guys, but Arsenal now have Olivier Giroud, Mertesacker and Koscielny — they’re all taller than I am.

When forwards come back for set-pieces they can often switch off. To stop this I would pair each one with a defender. A defender is a more reliable person than an attacker. 

He’s committed to keeping the ball out of the net and there are few examples of forwards with the same passion. We defenders had a mentality of ‘over my dead body does this ball go into the net’ — we had to get something in the way.

I get teased about constantly going on about the lack of height in our side but apart from Merts and Gabriel, the rest of our players are under-tall so unless one or the other of our central pairing get their head to a corner or other set-piece, we are pretty much snookered. Ollie is of course thrown in there when he plays but right now Walcott is ahead of him so he’s out of the equation.

Mertesacker and Gabriel will as Keown says, have to communicate well tomorrow and make sure that one of them gets to the ball before a Utd player does because as Tuesday showed, if they don’t, an opposition player may just take advantage. If they can get that right, I think we’ll win the game.

And what about the ‘over my dead body does this ball go into the net’ mentality Keown talks about, a bit of that wouldn’t go a miss would it and I don’t just mean from the defenders. Defending starts from the front, just as attacking starts from the back and we haven’t seen enough of that this season. In fact our whole approach to defending has been sloppy and quite shambolic at times and it’s about time these players put that right.

If Martin Keown and his team-mates spent hours working on set-pieces and defending, then why can’t today’s players do the same as that’s the only way things will improve. Let’s hope that’s exactly what they’ve been doing since Wednesday morning!

I won’t hold my breath though….

Finally, there’s a really good article in The Telegraph by Gary Neville. Seems to me that between the two of them, Keown and Neville would sort us out once and for all….

Enjoy your weekend guys and gals…

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potter
potter
10 years ago

I went to see Norwich reserves play ours on the first reappearencephalitis of Big Tone after his stay in Chelmsford. Late in the second half leading about 4 nil I think and they took a shot from about 20 yards out. Tony took it full in the face as he dived in front of the ball.No way was he losing that clean sheet even in a nothing reserve match.

Rico , horseburger :- Gallows humour.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Morning potter 😀 tell me a little bit about tony woodcock 😀

potter
potter
10 years ago

What the he’ll is that ?
Please ignore the cephalitis.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Oh my bad morning rico great post. Lol

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Rico you won’t get that back in the day. Tony woodcock and his cronies bled for the shirt 😀 those guys were like Spartans 😀 am super chuffed I ve been watching old videos all night on youtube.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Morning Rico and the house
Nice post rico
Goonie tony played for notts forest and o tjink we signed him from cologne, top player

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

I think this current team needs to watch clips of what being an arsenal player means. Too many softies.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Morning MG I read all about him all night. He even speaks English with a German accent 😀 but my God what a player

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

87 league cup semi final replay was my favourite, we went mental when we scored the winner, the old bill couldn’t get us out of shit hole
Great memory

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

I saw that videos too MG I think it was rocky who scored the winner 😀 good times. Ohhh to be a gooner 😀

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

*video

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Rocky scored the 1st, ian allinson scored the winner

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Oh ok I thought it was the other way round.

Bob John
Bob John
10 years ago

Hi all
Goonster – No disrespect but Tony Woodcock played in the early/mid eighties side that had a core of older players that were more interested in partying than playing for the shirt. Charlie Nicholas, Graham Rix, Paul Mariner, Kenny Sansom, et al. All talented, established internationals but didn’t put it in often enough. Woodcock always seemed to find an extra gear when an England game was coming up to preserve his place in the squad no doubt. During that period the only two players who gave their all every week were Stewart Robson and John Hollins. The youngest and oldest players in the team! Despite what people say about Robson as a pundit, he was a fantastic player who covered a number of positions and never backed down from anyone. He even went in goal once and kept a clean sheet against the Spuds when George Wood got sent off. In fact, Stewart Robson is exactly what the current Arsenal team could do with!

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Thanks Bob I only saw footages didn’t really know all that but you could tell they were passionate. If this current team could show half thier grit and determination we ll be ripping this league. But nice to know that all generations had their “ifs and buts” lol. Thanks mate.

potter
potter
10 years ago

One of only 3 players to play for England with 3 “O”s in his name.
Originally played for Nottingham Forest went to Germany and developed into a top quality centre forward. He was wasted at Arsenal under Neil but was the best we had for 4 years .Got a bad injury and George Graham sold him back to Koln where he finished his career.
Not a Joe baker or Wrighty type scorer but a good player too good for us at the time.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Stewart Robson??? Wasn’t he the cnut on arsenal TV?? The one that was always antagonizing us??

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Potter you can say that again. He oozed class. He moves Luke Platini and very technical. I loved what I saw 😀

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Rixo you just love ro spit in my coffee don’t ya 😀

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

*Rico

Marshall
Marshall
10 years ago

Hello lady of the house and other goons. Lovely post Rico.

Neville’s articles was sober and precisely a game plan our players really need. The gladiator attitude (over my dead body) is unfortunaly amiss in our squad. I wish they all had that, I wish they fought for each other, fought for the shirt. Surely they can dig in a little deeper and be a great team.

Nice weekend y’all.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Never thought I ll say this but too many foreigners in our team. God how I wish jack wasn’t injury prone. We need his never say die atitude. So sad.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Rico 😀 you and I know who that is. Don’t we?

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Sorry goonie i think your right

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Rico I think santi needs to play higher up the pitch. The whole deep lying crap is robbing us off our most creative player. I ll say play rambo and lecoq at the base. Santi in the hole and ozil on the bench (yikes can’t believe I just yanked my favorite arsenal player off the team ). We need santi up top where he can wreck havoc on the opposition.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

MG we need more jenkos wilsheres in that team. A real arsenal lad. One who knows what it means to wear the glorious red and white.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Well rico what’s new?? We never seem to agree on anything 😀

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Finally what are the odds 😀 you agreed at last. Oh happy day 😀

potter
potter
10 years ago

Goonie :- I have been looking for footage but can’t find any but this article sums up my first Arsenal hero JOE BAKER.
5’8” tall he was fast, courageous, a tigerish tackler with an exquisite touch and a fine passer of the ball, who finished equally well with either foot and would go in where it hurts to head home with no fear.

His courage was legendary likewise his fiery temper as when on a cold and filthy day on a quagmire of a Pitch he was dumped in the mud by 6’2” Ron “Rowdy” Yeats the Liverpool Centre back, picking himself up complete with a muddy divot, Joe threw it at Yeats filling his ear and followed that up with a smack from a clenched fist, he didn’t wait for the referee but walked off for an early bath.

The nearest to him in recent years must be Ian Wright, his wicked humour and all round ability endeared him to the fans and his four years at Highbury was never long enough as he left at 25 and scored plenty of goals for Nottingham Forest, Sunderland and then back to Scotland to play and briefly manage.

Joe died on the golf course in 2003.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Ozil is a flair player we have too many of them. We need steel and determination. Ozil’s countenance don’t show both. He needs to sit this one out. We need to be on those northern pigs from the get go. An early goal ll calm our nerves. This is manure for crying out loud. They haven’t looked good since feeguscnut retired. Why are all panicky? ? If we play to our strengths and nullify mata we ll think them. Am positive. 3.1 to the good guys. Theo and sanchez wirh the goals but we need to show up though. Win every ball, every 50 50 challenge. We need to play for the 90 mins. Concentration must be on all time high. Do that and we ll do them over.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Rico, goonie I’m going for a win tomorrow, if we loose the Emirates will be fuming
I expect, demand the team to step up
4-1 to the arsenal

Bob John
Bob John
10 years ago

Goonster. As Rico has said, Robson was sacked from Arsenal TV. Probably for being too honest and pointing out our defensive deficiencies! I actually met him at Huntington races a few years back and had a really good chat with him about the eighties team. He said I was “very perceptive”. He also told me that Wenger wanted to sell Henry after the champions league final against Barca but the board blocked it as we were moving to Emirates and they needed a marquee player what with Dennis retiring and Pires leaving! Whatever people think of him, he was a fantastic young player sadly hit by injuries which also prevented him winning England caps.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Morning Rico and all.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Potter 😀 really??? That’s the spirit. Hey I heard wrighty one time smashed a manure player in the tunnel after the game. How true was that? ?

Bob John
Bob John
10 years ago

Potter you are spot on about Joe Baker. My brother still talks about the Ron Yeats incident. Yeats was known as the colossus and spent the whole game kicking Joe up in the air. Joe finally snapped and floored Yeats with one punch. Joe was sent off and Yeats carried off! lol!

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Bob John lol that’s why he got kicked off arswnal tv Hahahahaha. Arsene arsene arsene tsk tsk tsk.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Hey adam 😀 feeling better yet? ? Come on you big baby stop sulking. We ll have a better game tomorrow. I promise you. We ll thonk the mancs. Cheer up son 😀

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Hey potter am still waiting for your response on the wrighty incident. Did he really clubber a manure player in the tunnel after the game? 😀 😀 😀

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

I am ok Stan.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

That’s the spirit adam 😀 we ll beat them. I have a good feeling about this. 3.1 then go on an unbeaten run again. Watch out.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago
Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Hey wath I found the little woods cup game you talked about 😀

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Morning all.
Top post and very interesting comments from Keown.
Defence is as much about attitude as anything else.
He put to bed the question on whether Zonal marking working or not.
So many Gooners hate it but he proved that when it’s done right, it’s effective.
We just don’t do it well enough….or at least, consistently and diligently enough.
Over my dead body……what a statement from a defender.
That says it all.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

What quin was that?? Nial quin?? Former Sunderland player and chairman??

Joaquim Moreira
Joaquim Moreira
10 years ago

afternoon all!
Tony Woodcook is backing ? 🙂
Cazorla is or more valuable player

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Yeah right jm 😀

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Arsene took another kicking from Sky just now. They are going to ramp the pressure on him up this season.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Rico we need to make the pitch as big as possible. Shaw is injured and I think blind has been playing on the left for them. Alexis and walcott to run towards him when we have the ball. Why is everyone panicking? Manure are pants lately. Yes they are top of the league so? West ham is third!! Our form has been indifferent this season but we ve held our own against the big boys for 8 months now. Bar the Dean inspired chelsea debacle we haven’t lost a big game in almost a year. We looked comfortable against the chavs until gabby got sent off even after going 1 man down we were still in the game. We ll beat manure maam. Am positive. I

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Going to the game tomorrow adam??

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Stan. Yes I am. I go to all the home games.
Rico. They always need a whipping boy and Stelling loves to kick a man when he’s down. And Arsene is down for sure.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Rico, it woks brilliantly if everyone does their job.
At set pieces, I reckon our guys don’t follow the runs, which causes all sorts of problems….we give away too many free headers.
Either Bould is no good or is not allowed to his job…another one of Arsenals mysteries lol

Bob John
Bob John
10 years ago

What I think is quite telling is that we are all talking about getting some steel installed and using former players as examples and yet, Bouldy apart, Arsene always brings in ex-players of a certain type to help out. Bobby, Thierry and Sol were all great players but I don’t see any of them as the type of personalities to really get things going. We could do with a Frank McLintock, Tony Adams, Martin Keown or Nigel Winterburn on the training ground to shake them up!

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Hi Adam,
Sounds as though the media would be all over Wenger even if we beat the Mancs.
It’s the same everywhere-they have ther favourites.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Spot on bob about time too.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Hi Scott. Yes, the media are very anti Arsene now as he had the temerity to refuse to answer yet another question about something that micro shitbag Mourinho said.
Having said that, the issues at the club are heading toward change. I really can’t see any other outcome right now.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Adam wait till we win the next game and everything ll be forgotten. Arsene has 33 lives. That dude could last forever. Lol. The only way arsene ll leave is when he doesn’t feel like it anymore. He ll never be fired. Trust me .

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Somebody should sit the ox down and tell him to watch Zaha. He’s having a stormer today. Brunt has been left for dead a few times already. Lol. That’s how a winger should play. Get in behind the wing back and whip in a good cross.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Adam, you know my thoughts on change…..the one man that needs to recognise it’s required is the one who doesn’t lol
I must say I’d get mightily pissed off at some the questions asked in press conferences.
I’d last 10 seconds in that situation 🙂

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

It is a shame Rico but, as some of us might have mentioned, his failure to push on during the summer was always a risky tactic for him. Too many players either not in form or not good enough are letting him down too often now. Massive question marks over their future under a new manager.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Stan, I was just tuning how dangerous Zaha looks, but this diving shit is annoying..
Though I guess he won a game last week doing it.
Talented kid, and is tearing West Brom apart.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Rico. I doubt that Kroenke is in any position to judge whether change is due or not. I don’t see him as a prime mover in what’s happening myself.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Scott he’s a gooner though 😀

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

So I hear, Stan 🙂

potter
potter
10 years ago

At the moment with the way his American teams are performing Arsenal is the jewel in his crown.
Goonie those were the days when the league cup meant something.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

You didn’t answer my question potter. Did wrighty ever clonked a manure player in the tunnel after the game? 😀

Joaquim Moreira
Joaquim Moreira
10 years ago

Palace is almost at the top of the League.
who is the referee for tomorrow?

potter
potter
10 years ago

Don’t know. So many stories about old Trafford pizza gate for one

Joaquim Moreira
Joaquim Moreira
10 years ago

Press: Nolito (Celta de Vigo but is a Barcelona player) can move to Arsenal?
He was played in Benfica maybe 3 or 4 years ago…

bradster
bradster
10 years ago

City losing, can Newcastle hold on

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Afternoon rico and the house

We need the players to turn up, like we did against shity away last season
Wenger is under huge pressure,, its time deliver

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Steve McLaren is shit.

potter
potter
10 years ago

2 more for Afobe today, well worth the Sanogo experiment.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

How did we miss out on kun aguero? ??

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

McLaren ll be sacked in the morning. Hahahahahahah the geordies are going home entertainment mass 😀 I ll definitely be watching the true geordie on youtube today :D.

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

Goonster. When you get the answer please let us know. 🙂

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

*En masse stupid spell corrector

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Howdy nasher 😀 I really want to know if it’s true. Lol

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

Can Arsenal buy a player above 50m? Because that what player like Aguero or Lewandowski cost.

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

Hi Goonster. Get Silent Stan out and Arsenal will be different.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Nasher we paid 42 million quid for ozil so I see why not.

Wavy
Wavy
10 years ago

Thanks for the description of the Baker v Yeats catch weight contest! I was there that day and I wasn’t looking, I was reading my programme! If I remember rightly, the second half had not quite started, the incident occurred on the centre spot and both teams were milling around in the centre circle. I guess I was waiting for the whistle to blow for the restart and when it went there was Baker shaking his head and looking very aggressive heading towards the changing room.
Your graphic description fills in a few missing seconds! Thanks Potter, thanks very much.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

Nasher am really not bothered anymore. I ll be living in the past until things change. I have the 70s 80s 90s and early 2000s to watch and follow. I ll be in denial till things improve. Kroenke wenger gazidis can all go to hell 😀

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

When you get owners that love the sport and their clubs and love winning they wouldn’t scare to spend the cash to get what they want.

Wavy
Wavy
10 years ago

Wasn’t the pizza hurled by Fabregas, though nobody grassed him up!

Of hard men, anybody mentioned Peter Storey? Or even Vic Groves?

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

Yes Ozil 42M. Who’s next?

The game has change and if you want quality you have to spend. If you want to compete and win you have to spend.

Nashua Gunner
Nashua Gunner
10 years ago

I see no club that is going to sell there quality player below price. Player like Aguero or Lewandowski cost alot. If Arsenal had a player like Aguero or Lewandowski, how much do you think the asking price would be?

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

70 million nasher lol

potter
potter
10 years ago

And a pound.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Unbelievable refereeing at Chelsea.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Come on you saints

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Excellent Southampton. Should have been more. Two penalties missed and a sending-off for Falcao and probably Ramires too.

Goonster
Goonster
10 years ago

See what a determined bunch can achieve?? Is that Southampton team more talented than ours?? Enough said. Afternoon guys.

Adam
Adam
10 years ago

Rico. That did make me giggle.

As for Mourinho? I think we saw a man on the edge there. Completely irrational rant, full of ego and more than pathetic. I can only wish him the very worst.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

The Portuguese GIMP has lost the plot

Taxi for Jose

Joaquim Moreira
Joaquim Moreira
10 years ago

Australia is much better then england!

Why we didn’t try to sign M’Pele instead of Benzema?
Wanyama It goes unnoticed throughout the game, but it is a very effective!

Marshall
Marshall
10 years ago

With a display like that, Aguero would be priceless. He seems to want to run away with the league…and carry the city of Manchester with him.

It’s 4th of July, Christmas, summer and spring when I see mourinho in defeat. Pride surely comes before thy fall.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Morning all.
For a second, I actually though Chelski may have been hard done by, but I should’ve known better.
What a wanker.
I can say that, as today is Australia Day 🙂 🙂
Not sure what it takes, but let’s just hope I boys head out breathing fire v UTD.

Wavy
Wavy
10 years ago

What a tosser! The pathetic Pygmy has been pole axed. Oh dear, what a pity, never mind!

I think it’s time he relocated, back to the home of port, and I would suggest he should immerse himself in the only export that country excels in, vats of port!

I noticed he got another veiled reference in about how some clubs are happy finishing fourth whilst he wouldn’t, well not this season. Good god he recognises the fact that his team aren’t even going to get close to the coveted fourth place trophy. Not a lot of ambition there then! Is he angling for constructive dismissal and a huge pay off and subsequent huge pension. I suppose we can all dream. English football would be a damned sight better off without his intrusive, unpleasant remarks and comments about how f’ing good he thinks he is and f’ing useless his peers are in comparison.

Good shut! The sooner he departs these shores the better.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Wavy, I’ve always said the mans over rated.
He spends and spends.
Now his clubs in trouble, rather than simply start the hard work that’s required, he blames everyone bar himself.
Just don’t send him over here 🙂

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Morning rico and the house

We need the players to turn up like they did against shitty away last season

I’m going for a comfortable win

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Hi rico, this is the squad wenger believes in, there can be no excuses today, the fans will be up for it, the Emirates will be buzzing

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

If we put a performance in today it will be buzzing

I have a good feeling about today’s game

Tai
Tai
10 years ago

Morning Rico, All…

I always dreaded matches against Man U…why? No team dominate Arsenal more than Man U in English soil…never mind today’s Chelsea and their millions!

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Hi guys.
Ravi, who knows?
I can never tell before a game if we will be up or not, but 5 minutes in it’s pretty clear.
Let’s hope.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

True, Rico.
I think the fans must lift ther act.
Yes, they work off the effort the players put in, but I reckon the opposite applies as well.

tsgh
tsgh
10 years ago

Morning Rico, Scott and all.

Scott -. I wonder why the press are not making any headlines out of this Jose Mourinho: “If we make top four it will not be so bad” .

If AW had said that, that would have made all the back pages.

Tai
Tai
10 years ago

Hopefully Rico

tsgh
tsgh
10 years ago

We go 2nd today if we win by 2 or more goals..

Jose’s 3rd season blues continue… lol

Micko- who said history never repeats itself as I always say… 🙂

Tai
Tai
10 years ago

Ts, don’t mind the British press…defending champions are just eight points out of 24, joint 17th on the log, already conceded 17 goals after conceding just 22 in 38 matches last term…and no one has mentioned crisis yet…some people have all the luck!

Still they strenghtened with Begovic, Falcao, Eahman…while retaining the core that won the title…

Tai
Tai
10 years ago

Stop dreaming of that 2nd Ts…I’ll take 1/2 a goal win.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Ginge, how about some stats

tsgh
tsgh
10 years ago

lol Tai.

Mg- the stats I have won’t please you.

Malaga gooner
Malaga gooner
10 years ago

Who’s the ref for today’s game

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
10 years ago

Ginge, when Joe Say made that claim, I instantly thought of “top 4 is like a trophy” lol.
Of curse, in its right context, he’s right….finishing top 4 from where they are now would be great result, as it was when Wenger said it.
All about the context, but then, spending so many hundreds of millions suggest they should never be in such a position, especially with the worlds best manager at the helm hahahahahaha