Last Season For Santi And Tomas? Brozovic & Gundogan Offers Made?

Morning all.

Thierry Henry makes his debut for Sky Sports this weekend for our match at the Etihad. It’s been a long time since we won at City’s ground, how fitting would it be if we could break that bad run with our old boy watching on. Lets hope he brings us some better luck. I also hope he’s alongside Gary Neville as the two of them will talk a lot more sense than either of the two ex Dippers and Henry is much easier to understand than one of them!

Santi Cazorla, one of a few players to shine this season believes it’s all down to him playing centrally instead of being pushed out wide to accommodate others:

I always try to make goals. It’s important for me because I am a midfielder and I always want to help the team score, and I will try to make more before the end of the season.

I have more space [in the middle], more possibilities to score and assist, and I like this position very much.

Ok, he didn’t quite say that he has to switch positions but clearly that has been the case whilst others were fit. Since Ozil and Jack have both been out injured, the little Spaniard has played really well. Wilshere isn’t back for a while yet but Ramsey and Ozil are so what Arsene Wenger does with them all will be interesting. One thing for sure is he can’t leave a player of Ozil’s quality out of the side but then how can he leave Cazorla out either whilst he’s in such fine form. Then of course there is Rosicky and Ramsey. Oh to be a manager eh….

So the rumour about trying to sign Borussia Dortmund midfielder Ilkay Gundogan and that the German club our considering our £15.6 million offer seem odd if true, especially when are needs are much greater in the defensive department. Well, that’s what I thought t first but then, Santi isn’t getting any younger, neither is Rosicky so suddenly it made sense.

Could it be the last season for one or perhaps both?

In other gossip, we have reportedly submitted a second bid for Dinamo Zagreb midfielder Marcelo Brozovic, according to Sky Italia. Arsene Wenger has apparently been tracking the 22-year-old for some time and reportedly had an initial bid rejected by the Croatian club. A second offer, believed to be somewhere between £5.5-£7 million has been offered.

Chuba Akpom is mulling over his new contract offer as many other clubs look on with great interest. I hope he signs up real soon. We have to have another player from the Academy coming through one day soon surely….

Finally, The Guardian report that we have finally made an offer bigger enough to see Krystian Bielik become an Arsenal player but as we all know, until it’s on the official website, it’s all speculation…

Mind you, I doubt that if/when the Krystian Bielik signing is confirmed, too many Arsenal fans will be happy.

That’s it for Wednesday…

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bradster
bradster
11 years ago

Morning all,

I see City bought Bony.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Morning All
Morning Rico.

More attacking midfielders?
Is that really what we need?

Ospina to start at City?
Szczesny to start against Brighton?

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Would be good to see Hayden get a run out in the FACup, Maitland-Niles as well…
Good opportunity to give Ozil, Ramsey and Walcott a start also…

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Gundogan can possibly be the replacement for Arteta…

Good read…

and morning again all…

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Then again Gundogan’s idol is the Lil Mozart; just like Reus and possibly most other BVB midfielders. lol

We got to surely see Serge Gnabry soon…

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Brad, I doubt Bony moving to the wastelands will trouble most Arsenal fans as several folks on here did not rate him to be Arsenal quality…

I bet WAth is getting a fat commission for being Bony’s agent. 😉

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Giroud has his moments…

I guess the AFCON was a deterrent.

Wavy
Wavy
11 years ago

Morning Housers

If the old one sees a bargain now, that he can afford, why should he wait until summer and then have more competition and pay more? Good players, really, really top, top players are very few and hard to find! So……….!
As for keeping what we’ve got. Reading between the lines I got the distinct impression from what and how Santi said that he doesn’t see his future at Arsenal next season. He’s off to Spain e viva España!
Rosicky I think he’s still under contract for at least next year and maybe longer? So I’m not so sure he’ll be gone, not yet anyhow.
Akpom is a fish in a different kettle! If the old goat gives him a bit of significant game time he will probably sign a new contract but if he is left languishing on the old subs bench he’ll go, and for free too!

Nice one Rico the start of another busy gossipy day!

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Me personally, if AW can harness Ramsey for the DM role then a fitter Gundogan will be far better in the box to box role as he is a younger TR07/MA08…

AR16 has the attributes to be a splendid DM as we all know but maybe not under AW’s kamikaze style of football…

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Morning all.
Bony would’ve been terrific for us.
Too late again.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Ginge, Aaron as a DM?
Are you stalking me 🙂

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Something positive from wavy.lol 🙂

What have you smoked today? 😉

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

ha ha I knew you were lurking Scott…
Just baiting you…

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Onya Ginge.
Once again, our problem is if Wenger plays Akpom, we all whinge and moan that he’s not ready and we should be playing experienced guys.
Honestly, which way to we, the fans, want it because to my eye we want it both ways.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Rico, I think he’d be the best DM in the world, to be honest.

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

My beef is why play Sanogo in front of Akpom???

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Gundogan means no Sissoko and no Schneiderlin then?

Unless the bid is meant to force Newcastle and/or Southampton to be more realistic with their demands?

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

Buy a specialist DM don’t mould another player……

Wavy
Wavy
11 years ago

Yer but, if Akpom plays and has a blinder we’ll be asking, very politely , of cours, where the F and why the f has he not been picked before. It’s definitely a no win, no win situation! Or ha can just be left to fester!

As mentioned earlier…….where is Gnarbry?

T’s I wonder how positive I’ll be late on Sunday. Afternoon???

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Still that £15.6m could be 2/3 of the price of Schnerderlein.

Oriol Romeu who is on loan with Vfb from the chavs want out… he is a splendid and underrated DM too…

Another young player impressing me is Guilherme of Udinese… he is not tall but he is athletic.
I wonder why AW never buys from Ajax? Riechedly Bazoer is another superb CDM albeit the same age as Hayden… he will be cheap.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Scott, what you do, is have Akpom on the bench and always, if possible, bring him on and gradually introduce him to the senior game.

Don’t just throw him in and watch him sink…

Well, that’s what they used to do, when we actually produced our own players.

It worked then, but not now it seems…

Where’s Fred?

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Santi is in fantastic form.
Why sack him?
Aaron is a super player.
Why bench him?
Same with Ozil.
We can’t play them all.
Wavy, Gnabry has been injured I think.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

The thing is Barca, Ath., RM and FC Hollywood, Manure, Chelski have won the UCL and their respective league titles without a ‘proper’ DM.

How many AFc fan’s rate Obi Mikel? but he helped them to several titles by playing 1 m passes just like Carrick.

Imo, as I have always said if all teh players tried 5% more defensively we will be fine just like all the better team s in the world…

We can’t as fans berate AW for not evolving and then call for another PV04 or Manu petit…

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Kev, Wenger fair enough but the kid should realise he’s a baby, and doesn’t simply have a right to play now.
These kids let their egos get in the way and listen to the wrong people.
Look at Ox.
Now he’s been a PL quality player for a few years but still is a bit part player.
A long, slow education will pay benefits down the track but most of these kids want it all now.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

SC19 is playing well now because he is playing in his preferred position of CDM/box to box instead of as a no.10.

As i always use to say he had always played as a winger or a CM for his previous teams and Spain.. i.e the poor man Iniesta.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Ginge, your last sentence is pure genius.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

No doubt that we play much, much better when defend as a unit.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

We have to if we’re to have any chance, Rico 🙂

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

The last of the bunch of 2009 class gone now i.e Afobe.. Pure shame… I love Aw but he needs to check himself on his purported record of developing youngsters…

My bad JW and Le Coq still around…

potter
potter
11 years ago

Interesting this morning. You have to offer young players something to keep them interested , going out of the capital cup has had a great knock on effect , Ospina ,possibly Podolski and Sanogo might have got more playing time and Akpom could have got his 20 minute cameos.

I have always said that Wenger doesn’t want a defensive midfielder , but a deep lying player that holds a position with good passing ability would fit his bill nicely .
Cazorla is looking at the return of Ozil and can see himself shunted out wide again to make room and will go back to Spain should that happen and we will miss him more than people realise.
A replacement on the pitch is more likely for Arteta than Rosicky , Mikel probably will head home for a couple of farewell seasons before taking up coaching somewhere but Tomas has still got it in short bursts as long as he starts matches. Bringing him on for the last few minutes doesn’t help him get into games but as last weekend showed he can run a game and still has copious amounts of energy still to burn , all the injuries have stopped him getting burned out.
A decision has to be made regarding Ramsey and Wilshere , in my opinion they don’t play well together, unless you keep them and like a Black Forest clock and one figure goes in whilst the other is out injured one may have to be sold . Whichever way it goes there is a need to grow a squad as opposed to a collective of good players.

Oh BTW morning all.

eduardo
eduardo
11 years ago

allezkev you say have Akpom on the bench, but in place of who, if fit we would have Giroud, Welbeck, Alexis, Walcott, Ozil, Cazorla, Oxlade-chamberlain, Campbell to have in the team or on the bench,
akpom needs to sign a new contract and then go on loan to a Championship club or a FAPL club that will give him game time, but people have to remember that he had two loans spells at league one level last season, Brentford and Coventry, and he failed to score in the 10 games he played in, just as he has in the 5 for Arsenal. He could not get a regular start with 2 League one clubs last season, and yet some think he should be getting game time for Arsenal now. The lad has potential, but he has an awful lot of things to improve on before he is ready for Arsenal, anyone who has watched him for our U21’s this season will surely have seen he is a long way from the finished article or being ready for the first team, just like Crowley who despite being very good at that level, he aint ready for our first team. Its time some of you realized there is a massive difference in lower league football and FAPL, and even a bigger difference in U21 and FAPL.

Afobe has completed his move to wolves

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Potter, honestly, name me a player who does play well with Jack.

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Eduardo, how much playing time did he get at Brentford?

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

Probably why we don’t sign anyone from Accrington Stanley F.C…thanks for clearing that up!

frednerk
frednerk
11 years ago

Blooding young players at the top level,
is a gamble for most teams.
Many years ago we were on the verge of relegation,
we brought in.Brady(17)Stapleton(17) and O’Leary(16),
that was a last ditch gamble,that worked.
No one really knows whats best.
In my very humble opinion,
exceptional players always standout from the rest,
manages can’t resist the temptation,
must be some kind of dought,if not in yet.

joe
joe
11 years ago

What makes an academy player
What age does he have to join the academy to count as an academy player my thoughts are 15-18 years.

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

Franny Jeffers at Accrington still?

potter
potter
11 years ago

Scott Ramsey for a start.Whether it’s Jack or Aaron I don’t know but if they play together in the middle they go forward together , they don’t drop in and cover each other when required . If we play with Santi or Ozil one gets shunted wide and gets wasted . To me he is a great television product , looks great on the ball but off of it apart from a succession of yellow card lunges he leaves gaps and ball watches , lets players run past him and rarely covers their runs into the box.

joe
joe
11 years ago

I am thinking of young players bought from other clubs

Adam
Adam
11 years ago

I wonder if Gibbs will walk back into the team.

Bob John
Bob John
11 years ago

Hi all
Just wondered if anyone shared the same concern as I have about a defensive midfielder given the way we are treated by referees? The likes of Matic, Mikel, Fernandinho, Fernando regularly make 5, 6, 7 fouls per game without getting booked. I think Fernandinho made about 10 fouls against us earlier in the season. In the past the likes of Makelele specialised in stopping opposition attacks with fouls. We have already seen Le Coq getting booked virtually every game for one foul. Gilberto was pretty good at the breaking up play foul with the innocent look to follow but in today’s climate would an Arsenal player get away with so many fouls?

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

Adam was banging on about Costa and he’s shit.

Adam
Adam
11 years ago

Lee. I got that one wrong obviously. And Cesc and Javi Martinez too. All shit.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Scott and Potter stop hating on JW… 😛

potter
potter
11 years ago

Arsenal’s Alex Iwobi Picks Nigeria Over England. Becomes an overseas player when he is 21 and curtails his Arsenal chances in doing so.

potter
potter
11 years ago

I don’t hate him TS , I just feel that he is not the demi god that people make him out to be.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

BJ- you have a point Claude Makelele was averaging 10 yellow cards per season. i.e 1 yellow card per 5 games and hardly got red-carded.

Saying that he hardly made tackles or covered ground as he was literally playing as a sweeper in front of John Terry and Carvalho. The likes of Deco all put in an effort thereby requiring claude to only make emergency tackles… unlike our team which is split in 2 with 5 or 6 players defending for the team whilst 8 or 9 players contribute to every attack.

bradster
bradster
11 years ago

I thought Song and RVP did pretty well with JW in the team.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Fair point Eduardo…

But considering Arsenals on-going and appalling injury record, not a point that should prevent Akpom getting time on the bench imo…

eduardo
eduardo
11 years ago

bt62 that is the point, he was not good enough to force his way into game time at either Brentford or Coventry.

rico I am for him getting some game time if he is good enough, but who do you leave out of the squad in the first place so that he is on the bench to be able to come on for 10 or 15 of a game, if we start with Alexis, Ozil, Walcott and Giroud, and have OX, Campbell, Welbeck, Cazorla or Rosicky on the bench, there is no room for Akpom in the match day 18

potter you will find Iwobi remains a homegrown player regardless of which country he decides to play for, it makes no difference as the rules stand, there is talk that it will be changed from Homegrown to English at some point, but as of yet its homegrown, for example Szczesny is homegrown

eduardo
eduardo
11 years ago

allez if there is room for him on the bench I’m sure he will be there, especially with Pod and yaya gone out on loan, but is being on our bench what he needs at this stage, or should he not sign the contract and look to get a 6 month loan at Championship or FAPL level, and get the experience needed, get regular games.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Yes, I inderstand entirely what you are saying Eduardo…
I guess I am looking at on a psychological level. You know, making Akpom feel a part of things, of being involved, rather than seemingly ignoring him.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

I’d like to see Wenger start him against Brighton for example…

frednerk
frednerk
11 years ago

Joe,
as far as I know its 16,
The top clubs take the boys out of school at 16,
and educate them at the academy’s.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Rico- jw has made a career on the back of the barca game at Emirates playing next to cesc and song who made him look good.

frednerk
frednerk
11 years ago

Bob John,
If you play in the middle,its odds on you get booked,
most of the top defensive midfielders,use the top half,
to tackle,Refs seem to let that go.

bradster
bradster
11 years ago

was that season Wenger over played him?

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

I’d sell Wilshere.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Yes Rico, it’s the weekend after next I believe…

joe
joe
11 years ago

Fred thanks I am wondering does that preclude Walcott,Ox and Ramsey as they came to to the club at 17.
but would have got some time in our academy

frednerk
frednerk
11 years ago

All starts to happen for the lucky ones after 16 Joe,
its what level 17 year olds are at,
education wise all the signed academy players and full time players are one,
as far I know.
If we found a Messi it would be hard not to play him.

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Ed, my point about his time at Brentford was they were on a long unbeaten run, a manager is hardly going to pull a regular team member, to give a loan player game time.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Rico, jw i n my opinion is a exceptional talent but he has no football brain of someone who has played close to 200 games at the highest level imo…
Gundogan has also been off injured and so has draxler but tactically they are superior.imo.
As Dev and I have discussed frequently the academy has to take some share of the blame…

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Ts, does that put him in the same bracket, as say Theo?

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Since Rico is gone I can say Walcott has only played 3 x 3 months with us.

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Ts, what did you think of the Barca match?

Joe
Joe
11 years ago

Got to love the FA Huth (Stoke player) gets a misconduct charge for something he wrote a Stoke player puts a fellow player out of the game for up to 12 weeks nothing.
Priorities

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Lol Bt… which one ? Feb 2011 his debut season?

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Bt- I meant theo had played well for us whenever his contract is due for renewal…

posting from smart phone is difficult…

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Ts, meant Barca match last Sunday night? lol

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

My honest opinion is that Ath. Have pentioners in key positions.
Also,Jaws is no where near the same level as cr07 and messing.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Pensioners

Joaquim Moreira
Joaquim Moreira
11 years ago

gundogan is always injury and he is very fat!
when was the last time we watch him play?
he has,maybe more, 20 kilos the his normal weight

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Ts, stop messing…lol

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

He plays regularly for bfn now but he is not as good as compared to before his injury.
He has played in 12 games this season and scored.Also he is back playing in as part of 2 sitting in front of the back 4.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Bvb

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Bvb are in bottom 3 so they will sell…

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

What did you think Bt?

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

JM, that’s a tad fat’ist…

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

I meant Gundogan is not back to playing in front of back 4 as kagawa and m k’tary are out

Rick
Rick
11 years ago

Afternoon Rico and the House.
Some very interesting comments today.
On the way out but will be back later and will give my views on acadamy Akpom and Loans. Latta

George
George
11 years ago

Afternoon all…

Akpom is following Afobe…Championship at best..

Remember everyone telling us Jay Simpson JET Lansbury and Yennaris will be premiership players …..really? Lansbury wont come up with Forest, Simpson cant score for Orient,JET is a hit and miss with Bristol City and likely to come into championship along with yennaris who doesnt even make the brentford bench..

If they get a career at championship level, then fair enough. The one that got away and will haunt us is Aneke…at Belgium premier side Zulte Waregem…watch this space..

On another note, I bet my grapefruits Sanogo gets 1 goal at best by accident in his 10 sub appearances. Pardew will not start that clown.

JM …very funny re: Fatboy Gundogan lol

Bt62 Gooner
Bt62 Gooner
11 years ago

Wash your mouth out, Rico…

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Morning all.
Let me say this…..I don’t hate Jack at all.
I’ve always thought Wenger has never quite worked out how best to utilise him.
Ok, Jack is probably one dimensional, but that Barca game showed what he is capable of.
Trouble is, we can’t wait for the one game every few years he excels.
I love reading the “Costa is shite” jibes but did anyone on here ever say he is shite?
Dirty arsehole, thug and cheat were well used but shite??

Joe
Joe
11 years ago

I know you don’t hate jack you just don’t love him as much as Ramsey.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

I think Jacks terrific, Joe….he just doesn’t work in our system, I think.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Morning all.

allezkev
allezkev
11 years ago

Morning One and All…

Morning Rico…

18 days left…

Three out on loan.

One sold.

Nowt in…

A normal Arsenal TW…

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

Arteta has had a set back and Debuchy back in April………….anyone heard this?

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Rico, I HOPE we get two in lol.
Hiya Kev.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Howdy Lee.

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Isn’t newsnow official?
🙂

Joe
Joe
11 years ago

Morning all, is it just me because at least with a TW you get to hear about a lot of players i’av never heard of being linked to Arsenal. Or it’s a great way of finding out which players support Arsenal.

Lee
Lee
11 years ago

I also read that Schneiderlin has signed a pre-contract to join us in the summer….

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Lee, I heard Ginge forged his signature hahahahaha

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Ha ha ha Scott.
Costa is shite as Rebrov. The signing that killed George Graham ‘s career.

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Morning all btw…
Is wath still out spending his commission from Bony’s sale to $hitty?lol

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Yes he is Ginge…..Grey Goose sales have soared through the roof 🙂

tsgh
tsgh
11 years ago

Lol.It’s keeping Russia afloat…

scottfromoz
scottfromoz
11 years ago

Wath looks after their economy mate, have no fear lol

Wath
Wath
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11 years ago

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