Is Samir Nasri really worth a pay rise??

I get the impression that some supporters are not over impressed about Arsene Wenger and the clubs pay structure that’s in place, so I thought I would write a bit about our situation and see how most Gooners feel.

First I will go over a few things that have been said recently.

We were on the subject of why Wenger and the club were against Nasri’s wage increase, one of the bloggers here was saying that because Nasri is a top class act in Arsenal’s team, Wenger should just pay him the money he has asked for if he wants to keep him.

Although I understand what this supporter was saying, I also thought about the pay structure that the club have in place. It was also said that teams like Chelsea and City and throw the Northern teams in the mix as well, would just pay the money to keep the player at the club and that we should do the same.

I on the other hand don’t exactly see this as the answer. If we pay this wage increase which is what I consider to be an exorbitant amount of money for one weeks wage, I feel it could open the flood gates and any player who has a good spell with us would want the same.

The same blogger said that other clubs were paying those amounts and a darn sight more to boot and they would just end up with all the quality players and we would end up the poor relation.

I tried to explain that if we went against our pay structure and just paid up, where would our money come from seeing how our club runs on the amount we bring in each week and If we paid higher wages, it would mean losing out on transfer monies and could even jeopardise the club in the future.

I tried to explain that we have not got a man at the top of the club who would pay anything to keep the player here and if Nasri is intent on moving he may just have to go.

Another way of course is to ask supporters to pay more for their seat at the ground but after just paying out a little over a 4%  increase, this would be wrong, very wrong!

Just why does Nasri believe he warrants a forty thousand pound rise?

Granted he had good spells last year but not for a whole season, I worked my socks off  during the whole year and that amount of pay rise he asks for is a lot more than I earn a year let alone a week.

Don’t you believe that the players wages has got out of hand? Reports suggest that some are ‘earning’ £200 thousand a week, what normal club can afford that kind of wage?

We have heard of the fair play rules is it not time for fair pay rules?

It appears to me that wealthy owners are now just flaunting the rules to suit themselves and that the old saying that money goes to money is pretty well damn close but surely if football is about fair matches. Two teams playing a game and see who wins,  not how well wealthy owners can out do one another?

Where is that old sporting feeling gone?

Take a team like Citeh who have had every bit of luck you could ever ask for. They have a stadium which was built for them by us the tax payer as it was built for the 2002 Commonwealth games and then given to them because the City of Manchester didn’t want a white elephant on its hands after the event.

Granted Citeh paid for alterations but that wasn’t a bad deal was it.

Then lo and behold a wealthy owner comes in and buys the club, he then throws £200 million at the team, and after a couple of years they win The FA cup, outstanding.

Now a sponsor has come in with an offer to rename their stadium to be known as The Etihad stadium, and they will pay £200million for that honor, so it looks like the wealthy owner will get back his £200 million he invested, unbelievable!

No wonder they can buy players, and pay fantastic wages and perhaps some decent decisions on the pitch as well no doubt, while Arsenal will carry on paying our stadium off and trying to keep wages down, buying cheaper players and probably still keeping in the top four.

But of course, all that is by using our own money and building our own stadium and training facilities without any help at all from Islington Council.

And they say you only get what you work for, what utter bullshit that is!

What say you, is Nasri worth what he is asking for?

Written by Steve Palmer

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Will
Will
14 years ago

Well said Steve.

We should not be complaining about our club, we should be writing to the FA complaining about clubs that do not live within their means and make a mockery of the words “fair” and “sport”.

While the likes of Chelsea and Man City lose £100M a summer, the odds are stacked in their favour.

Tell me, would you support a super steroid sprinter if he beat Usain Bolt in the Olympic 100 metrers final?

Will
Will
14 years ago

It is not life today Rico, it is life for a couple artificially bolstered clubs.

You don’t see Man Utd, Liverpool, Tottenham or us paying those wages.

I mean, if the three most successful clubs in teh country don’t pay it, you have to look at the wages being paid.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Rico, spending £100M a season more than you make is akin to taking steroids. You are using something you didn’t earn.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Exactly but we can’t moan at our club for not putting the club into hock to feed their ego’s.

I would rather win nothing now than be in the hands of one man and his whims.

sean
sean
14 years ago

Clubs have had outside investment for years. Look at Juventus/Parma/Real Madrid/InterMilan, all have benefited from rich owners, and there are probably many more.

Over the past say 10/15 years football has seen a concentration of wealth in a small number of clubs-particularly the richest leagues-England, Italy, Spain and this has been caused by the ChampionsLeague. To a great degree the same teams qualified year in year out thereby ‘earning’ huge amounts of income far in excess of any other team. These other teams found harder and harder to compete, and we arrived at a point where it was impossibe to dislodge them-the difference in income was just too great. Championsleague lead to huge monies due to qualification and then sponsorship.

It became accepted that there was the top four in England-they won everything-the media was concerned only with them and the only way to change this was outside investment. City got it and hey presto-things changed.

I am aware that Spurs finished fourth but we all know that was mainly due to Liverpool’s owners making a complete mess of it. All of a sudden Liverpool didn’t have the income to stay in that ‘topfour’.

City haven’t created the situation, they are a product of it.

Can anyone see Newcastle, Villa. Everton succeeding the ‘natural way’? No, I can’t either.

To use your example, teams outside the championsleague gravy train see those teams in it as the sprinters with ‘steroids’.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I just can’t believe there are “Gooners” who would like to see the club go to the wall for a shiney. It is not who we are.

GunnerPete
GunnerPete
14 years ago

No! we at AFC can do without another foreigner holding us to ransom year in year out. Arsene will find another unknown talent using half the money he gets from the sale of Nasri. My feeling is that Oxlade-Chamberlain could be that man. It is also obvious to me that Cesc has served his term with us and he has been a great servant, but now let him go asap and spend the money on two top talents.As usual though AFC have left this all to late to beat manure to some UK talent, so it will be back to the back waters of Africa probably. A financial good move would be to bring in Honda who would pay for himself with shirt sales in Japan alone!

Q-ell Betton
Q-ell Betton
14 years ago

Good blog. Unfortunately, market forces dictate what players earn and/or are worth. I mean, for the love of god, Tevez, great player that he is, is not worth £250,000 a week! As for the Nasri situation, he is hardly a pauper on his present wage and a rise to £90,000 is handsome and generous considering he went missing in the second half of the season. Wouldn’t it be great if we could work brilliantly for half the year and just turn up for the rest and then ask for a pay rise! The other problem Arsenal have is they operate on a degree of fairness, so ALL the players are well paid. That’s right ALL of the players (Denilson – the man who stole a Brazilian passport – included) are well paid. There is not a massive difference in pay between the bench warmers/injury prone (Rosicky, Diaby, Fabregas – keeping the medical team in work) and the first team. Truth is, many of the players are getting paid to be advertising mascots for Arsenal and not very good ones!

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Morning Rico. Nasri is entirely symptomatic of modern day football. Ok, this is a simplified view but I say that if a player tries to extort a club or makes it very clear he doesn’t want to be there, then sell him. Let us not forget that if Arsene had made the changes that were so obviously needed over the past several seasons then I think we would have been more successful and perhaps Cesc and Nasri might be more content. I think that possibly Samir is using the wage thing as a smokescreen because he sees what many of us see with regards to the strength of the squad. With yesterday’s maniacal utterings about our defense from Wenger paving the way for further inactivity in that area and the proposition that Gibbs, surely one of the most injury-prone players ever, being the answer at left back it feels to me as if Wenger has done what he normally does at this time of year and talked himself into complacency instead of taking a detached and more realistic view of squad strength. After all, it was him that said we were not good enough in defense at the end of last season but he has probably over- analyzed the situation so much that he has decided we are and only a couple of minor tactical tweaks are neccerssary. He even looks odd these days as if he is desperately trying to convince himself about what he is saying.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Sean, how did we get into the Champions League?

Rico, I am not just talkiing about here, I am talking in general.

I agree with you on the kids and as my post ages ago said, I think there should be a worldwide restructuring of youth wages. It is crazy a 19 year old can buy a £300k car and not care if he smashes it.

I am thinking about the wage structure of Arsenal and how to make it bettter.

Will
Will
14 years ago

rico says:

July 15, 2011 at 10:03 am

Re your earlier about Man Utd not paying big money, have you forgotten the Rooney debarcle Will??

No but I know he would not get away with it now and also, it was £100k a week, not £200K or even Yaya Toure £250K a week.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Still not Man City money though and I am sure Demento would not pay him £200K a week.

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Rico. I completely agree but surely Wenger is allowing players who don’t want to be here to set the agenda. Instead of playing a bizarre game of brinkmanship to try and convince people that Arsenal are not “a selling club” he should be concentrating on making Arsenal a winning club. With every passing pronouncement I get more worried about this coming season. I find it extremely difficult to imagine his present mind-set winning anything in the future. He is carrying so much baggage now. How I wish he would get more ruthless. Cesc wants to go, sell him to the highest bidder and use that money to add real strength. Same with Nasri. Can you see Arsene doing this? No, nor can I.

Gary
Gary
14 years ago

It has been already forgotten that last season we needed very small investment to take silverware. All was needed is a good goalkeeper (Schwartser for example) and a better CD then Scilacci.
Most points were lost due to bad tactical decisions by Wenger. It did seem like he did not do his homework on many occasions and panicked when we were losing. He continued to play players who were not in form or had a wrong attitude. In short – he lost it.
Will he get it back? I don’t think so. Those things are lost for good. Spending big money on big players would be a big mistake now.
Wenger did a lot for the club and we are greatfull to him for it, but times come and if the club does not move it will be left behind.

sean
sean
14 years ago

Will, Arsenal got into the champions league because they were good enough to finish in the top 2, 3 or 4 whatever it was at the time. Problem for other clubs is the money available to the clubs it that competition made it much easier to stay there. Unlucky Everton were good 10 years too soon.

I have every admiration for Arsenal-the job Wenger has done is to be applauded.

It was an accepted fact almost, that the top four will be….etc etc

Leeds tried to compete, it almost finished them off, Everton had a go, but failed. Spurs finished 5th twice until the people at Liverpool got it ‘wrong’.

I can see the criticism of City’s wealth and understand it, but there is no other way, and if you were a supporter of a club outside the financial elite and someone asked you could you see your club winning the league in the next 15 years, every single one would say no.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I agree.

The one thing I will say for Man Utd (and I hate defending them), they do spend money they make. Although, with the interest payments, I have no idea how.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Morning, good article Rico, is he worth it, nope, are any of them worth it…again nope….. As you say the problem is it’s about paying a so called going rate for your better players, if the average were on what they should be on then the better players could be better paid and not then so far behind what the chavs citeh n mancs are prepared to pay their best players. It’s never gonna change though as football needs to govern itself properly but it wont you will always have those willing to pay inder the table or in an underhanded way so no amount of bleating about it will stop anything we have to make the most of what we got.

As for below, same old rubbish different year…! Tell me how a team with no bottle suddenly finds bottle and a winning mentality when they had the chance to put things right after the CC final and failed dismally. Seems we’ll be starting the season on a whim and a prayer, is he really so stubborn..?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2015061/Arsene-Wenger-says-Arsenal-destined-win-title.html

Will
Will
14 years ago

Leeds tried to compete, it almost finished them off,

Incorrect, they tried to buy success the Chelsea way.

Savage
Savage
14 years ago

Perhaps the key to this money issue is to look at United instead of City and Chelsea, because it appears that United are also paying off debts and not getting massive cash injections.

What we do know is that United are doing a better job of international marketing. Part of that is by winning titles, which is a self-feeding mechanism, because players want to join winners, and fans buy merchandise of winners, and TV rights get paid to watch winners. But also part of that is through better tapping up of revenue-generating markets.

I’ve heard that our Malaysia match was worth 15 million. This could be the start of an improvement for us.

Winning would help too. If that Eduardo-gate Birmingham match hadn’t gone wrong for us, everything could have been so, so different. Anyway, it’s today, so let’s do what we can.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Exactly Savage, instead of having pops at Wenger, have pops at the commercial department who are badly letting us down.

para
para
14 years ago

I think Nasri deserves a pay rise.
Mainly though i think Nasri, as well as other players are completely disgusted about the Cesc saga, and have been for the last 2 seasons. We are building a team around a “traitor”, one who loves someone else. Talk about building your house on a sand foundation, stupid that is.
Time for Cesc to leave NOW, at least he should not be the kingpin of our team this coming season, he should be used as a squad player if his lover(Barca) does not pay up. The team should be rebuilt as if he is gone, which allows us to have multiple options to be able to compete against different clubs and their way of playing, options to be able to change the game, which we DO NOT have when Cesc is there.
As good as Cesc is, he loves another, and should be thrown out of the house, if you get what i mean.

Will
Will
14 years ago

The bottle thing has me stumped as well.

Watching the Vieira vid yesterday and also others from that era, the one word that struck me was warriors. Each player was a fighter and we could battle with the worst of them. Now, as soon as something goes wrong, our heads go down and that is it.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

As rico said,that is not for us to sort out,
You can claim there cheating all you want,but that aint gonna change things.

Barca and Real have been at it for years,by getting provided cash from Spainsh banks.

Have they been stopped??

Anyway forget other clubs,im getting tired talking about them.We should be getting our own house in order.

Is it just me or is Wenger spilling the same stuff over and over again.

This year just feels like de ja vu to me!

Savage
Savage
14 years ago

Wenger’s number one priority is to win titles, so I understand if he preferred to go to Austria, as he thinks that is better preparation. What if RVP had pulled his hammy against Malaysia?

However, the market has changed drastically since then with the arrival of Chelsea and City money, so the cash factor has become a lot more significant.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Morning!!

See ive got the feeling since this tour,he will not buy unless Fabs or Nasri go.

He thinks that team he has now is good enough to win the league.He believes the defence we have is good enough and that makes me think he will not buy.

I’m still not sure Gibbs and amrfand are ready to make the step up.How many games did Traore play for Juve???….Cant recall it being alot and does anyone know how he did??

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Morning folks…

I feel the Wenger comment on set-pieces is far too simplistic.

Our problem lies with the back four not being dominant enough, and sometimes not having the maturity and footballing brain to read the game… It’s all about symptoms and diseases.

The symptom is that we suck at set pieces. The disease is that we have a back four that gets too far up the park and too square,at critically wrong times.

The disease is the reason we give away the foul, with a lunging, last-gasp, panic-stricken tackle that results in a free kick.

The sympton is that, once we have given away the free-kick, we can’t handle the resulting high ball into the box.

Sure we need height, at both ends of the park, but first we need maturity and football nous, to read the game, which, incidentally, has everything to do with intelligence, and not so much to do with the age of the player.

We need to buy that, because we simply don’t have it, and if they’re great in the air too, so much the better.

Savage
Savage
14 years ago

What seldom gets mentioned is how different the Premiership is now than in 2003 when we were winning.

Back then, the big players went to Italy and Real Madrid. Arsenal were able to succeed because of Wenger’s ability to find new talent and create loyalty to him, and by using his French influence to bring in and retain top Frenchmen.

The following events changed everything:
– the Italian match fixing scandal
– the construction of our new stadium
– the arrival of Abramovich
– the arrival of Barcelona and the Ronaldinho transfer saga
– the arrival of City money

Between 98 and 03 there was always a top 2 in England and if we came 2nd it wasn’t a catastrophe.

Now a big number of the biggest players are in England. There’s a top 4 and an emerging top 6 due to Chelsea’s money spilling into Liverpool coffers.

Charles
Charles
14 years ago

The answer to your question is “NO”. Nasri, granted had a good half season. What has he done for Arsenal in the last 3 seasons? Reality is scandalously absent in football today. I don’t know why we are keeping him, i say sell him. Wheather to Man U, City, Chelsea. Let him go! No one player is bigger than Arsenal and certainly not him!
The guy that used steroid analogy is spot on. What Chelsea and now Citeh are doing to football as AW put it amount to “Financial doping”. City and Chelsea are now better than Arsenal and more ambitious beceause between them they have spent more than a £1billion in players and salaries. Which club can compete with that unless you have a sugar daddy. If we equate success to cash then Arsenal as a club is doing remarkably well. If we accept that football is more than Cash, then, we have to give AW all the credit as a coach and manager.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Morning Rico,

You pays yer money you takes yer choice…

The pro-Wenger camp, like me, say he plays with the press.

The anti-Wenger camp, say he just plays with himself.. 😆

All depends which camp your in 😉

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

I knew he didnt play that much,but 10 games??

From what ive seen of him,he’s good going forward, but very poor defensively.Bit like glen johnson.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

I must be a inbetweener then mike 🙂

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Mr. I,

that’s why God gave us two hands 😆

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Mike b,glad you said that and not me 😆

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Then you have the ones that are just camp Mike……..!

Hope thats not Mr Is seeing as he’s in the middle…..! I’m not asking in the middle of what.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

In your case 2 hands is to make tea and bring the bikkies………… 😉

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

No Rico, for convincing the old man to buy you a dishwasher 😆

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

HA your killing me.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Rico,

thing that annoyed me about that ‘story’ for want of a better word, was the blatantly provocative and inflammatory headline…

typical Express.

Savage
Savage
14 years ago

The going rate for players has changed, no doubt about that.

That means if you can’t compete at money level, you have to compete at another level, hence Wenger’s whole project youth thing about raising kids that develop some loyalty together. Which hasn’t worked of course.

Right now we’re still getting players saying they like us for our brand of football, so that’s a good thing.

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

It is almost as if dear old Arsene thinks before each press conference ” now what can I say today that will really piss our fans off?” so we have the total, absolutely daft and irrational claims about the defense that we heard yesterday. Funny isn’t it that, before the season ticket renewal date, we were told that he had identified our defensive frailties and was preparing to address them. Erghh, or was that last year he said that? No, it was the year before that I think. Now, I think he may be preparing us for what is to come. He has already convinced thousands that we are not a wealthy club, that we can’t afford to spend £30 million on a player, having said last year that he could do that very thing. He says that spending money is not always the way forward, neatly ignoring the fact that, by definition, it is the way forward sometimes. His schtick seems to be that those who criticise his lack of involvement in the transfer market, like me, really want him to bankrupt the club. What a stupid stance, yet he has sold that hook, line and sinker to many bloggers who are constantly countering arguments that would encourage buying the right players for the required positions with the suggestion that this would spiral the club into administration. If there were a number of PR gaffe possibilities laid out as holes in the road of management Arsene would have fallen down all of them by now.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Mike, we have too many finger pointers when we have to defend a high ball. No one takes charge, no one is a shirt puller of our own players, someone who will drag one of ours into position and shout orders.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

I bet Clichy wishes he was back at Arsenal!
He will start to understand,how good he had it here.

We must tackle thou in training,just not as mad as that city lot.

They will never be a threat in this league,until they get rid of Mancini.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Morning Will,

Yeah, but that again is something of a symptom… if we have someone with maturity and an ability to read the game, they become the de facto leader, the rest will naturally defer to their judgement.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Adam,

I couldnt have put that better myself.
Top post mate.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Back to the other syptom Mike, we lack leaders within the team and squad fullstop, we have none…!

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

WATH,

You’ve bloody-well gone and done it again…

I knew it would happen one day.
I forecast it would happen one day
I hoped it would happen one day.
I even prayed it would happen one day…

You’ve said something else I agree with 😆

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Adam,

I have been saying the same things and all i get is we are not city or chelski??

Or your not a real fan!!! 😆

It’s so boring and brings nothing to the table.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Ok Adam and Mr Islingtin. Money where mouth is time.

You are manager of Arsenal for the day. You know our budget and using Downing going for £20M as a yardstick, fix our team WITHOUT putting us in hock or leaving us short for next season.

Go:

K-TR7
K-TR7
14 years ago

Hi all.good read.nasri deserves a payrise but not the one he is asking for.he has shown qualities of being our talisman and thats why Arsene is desperate to keep him.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Make the most of it Mike it’s like sun in summertime in London it don’t happen very often………… 😉

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Will. For a start what is our budget? You seem to know. Secondly, Wenger is not the manager for day, it is an evolving thing. There has been no continuity of vision of squad evolution for years. Witness, Bendtner, Denilson, Rosicky, Almunia, Squillaci etc, all on big wages, none good enough. With the exception of Squillaci, all have been at the club for years, under performing yet earning big money. I can see where you are trying to take this but the solution lies in a broader scope than fixing the transfer market around Downing.

aj
aj
14 years ago

I have supported Arsenal for 51 years and football has been a big part of my life but i must say that I am becoming more and more disillusioned as the years go by. Football seems to have left the world of sport a long way behind now. As Steve says, it now seems to come down to who can make friends with the guy with the most money. The whole thing is so cynical and is far removed from sport; I wonder how long I’ll carry on making the effort to get up t The Emirates!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Greetings KT, no good keeping him to walk for free in 12months, complete waste of time..!

Will
Will
14 years ago

I am not the one saying buy buy buy so I guessed you had an inside track on how much we had. Sorry if I guesssed wrong.

I am using Downing as a yardstick.

K-TR7
K-TR7
14 years ago

I also won’t take milner’s comments seriously about tough tackling in training.the best defenders don’t even have to tackle as they rely on superior positioning.Fergie made that same mistake of letting Stam go as he made fewer tackles and he thought it was a sign of decline.it proved to be a fatal as he went on to have a brilliant career there.Maldini made 1 tackle every 2 games.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

WATH,

Being serious for a moment… I completely agree.

If there is one criticism I have of Arsene Wenger, and I don’t have many, it’s that he promotes on the basis of short-term expedience, and not long-term good.

Cesc is a classic example, as was Gallas.

Real leaders are borne, cliche I know, but it’s true…you don’t promote players to positions of authority just to keep them happy.

It’s a bit like playing the GK up front, because he’s getting bored in goal. Play players to their strengths, not just technically, but emotionally and intellectually.

K-TR7
K-TR7
14 years ago

*in italy*

Will
Will
14 years ago

I woould have TV as captain and Robin and vice captain.

Will
Will
14 years ago

KT, I agree, Gilberto was a fantastic defender, how often did you see him lunging into tackles?

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Will. What have I ever said that lead you to believe I know what our transfer budget is? I am not advocating spending so much that the club goes broke. Apart from Man City and Chelsea and possibly Man Utd who don’t seem to give a shit, every club has it’s limits. My point is that, for the past several years we have been in excellent positions league-wise where a modest and targeted investment MIGHT have bought improved success. At the moment the results tell me that it ain’t working.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Spot on AJ, even twenty years ago we could relate to the players on the park, blokes some of us grew up with even played with or against in our local sides when we were kids and teens, yes they earned good money but it wasn’t outrageous it wasn’t obscene just to kick a ball around. Sky came in and took footie to a complete new level and footballers became less loyal, they chased the proverbial golden chalis and we’ve lost that connection with the players at our club… everyone has and now we’ve even lost the connection with our club as they really don’t care about us as they too chase the golden chalis as they need money to pay wages and executives who also really don’t care abt OUR club its all about money and earning what you can and if someone offers more then off they go………. Where does that leave the fan…??

Will
Will
14 years ago

Ok, let’s again using the yardstick that is Downing. £20M for an average 7 goal a season attacking wide player. What constitutes modest investment?

Cahill is reported at £17M. Is that modest?

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Spot on Mike, A captain isn’t a position to try and bribe a player to stay, it’s not a position to make someone happier or to try and maybe heap a guilt trip on them that as Captain you must stay…!
Some players don’t need to be captain to lead by example or to rise above to tell other where to go who to mark etc etc they just do it but a proper Captain is natural your 100% correct and he’s one that inspires those around him or glares or shouts and they know they will run through that brick wall with him cos he would for them….! We don’t have one…! Although there are not many around either to be fair…!

Will
Will
14 years ago

Wath, that is my issue with Man City and Chelsea, with no rules confining them, they can go to any player in our leage and offer them £200K a week. That is unfair and in my eyes and my eyes only, cheating.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Will are we playing football manager here.
I have players in mind that i would buy,but do i get paid 3m a year to make them decisions???

Does anyone know how much Arsenal has to spend???.Please tell us Will.

Ive been reading your comments and you seem confused.
You talk like you dont want us to spend and then in other comments you say we lack leaders???

Which is it will??

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Folks,

this loyalty thing is nothing new… Pull up a sandbag and sit down 😆

First ever game I saw was Chelsea versus Notts Forest. A misguided uncle thought I’d enjoy it 😉

Chelsea won 4-3 and Greaves scored a hat-trick, before going off to Milan… 1961.

Mind you I was incredibly young 😆

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

If a proper captain shouted at a few of ours Mike i reckon they’d start crying or just sulk…! there also lies another symptom for you.

Will
Will
14 years ago

We do lack leaders but I am not calling for massive signings any more. I did but I realise, buying success is not success.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

WATH,

it’s a moot point that a proper captain doesn’t need to shout.

Bobby Moore was the best captain I ever saw…,he just had that quality, but he didn’t often shout.

God, what is this… wrinkly time? 😆

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Mike loyalty or lack off isn’t anything new for sure but in those days when you were in your 30’s it wasn’t the norm for a player to go abroad for instance and there was far more loyalty with players although again from smaller clubs they would all want to playe for a bigger club for more money I know but I don’t think there was the mercenary feel to it that there is today. I’d say hand on heart 95% of players are purely in it for the money and would move to who ever paid them the most.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Will,please state where i have said buy big mate??
Our own players are saying we need to buy,ex players are saying we need to buy.

Do you think utd care about all the money they have spent over the years,do you think they have had success then??

They buy because there is a need and we need players mate.

ask any utd fan do they care about how much Rio or rooney cost them??

They have just won the league and feel the need to bring more players in.

Sometimes it’s a need and not just the case of splashing out.Which i feel city do.

Will
Will
14 years ago

We just lack warriors. We lack the roll up your sleeve mentality and that is down to coddling kids.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

Gotta go Folks

Catch you later, and thanks for the banter.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Will Utd care when they can’t pay their interest rates?

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Mike…. Mclintock………? TA didnt always shout either it was the look or the clenched fist…. Said it all…!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Cheers Mike

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Will,

End of the day,that aint gonna change history.
History says that they are the most successful team in the premiership years.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Or, the most successful team in the Premiership years to go bust.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Mr Is you got a ST……..? and if so do you use it or loan it out..?

Will
Will
14 years ago

Fuck it, anyone know Bill Gates?

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Wenger and the club brought all this on themselfs.
Before the renwals they were going on about moving quickly in the market and how they know where our weakness are.

Fan’s are tired of the spin.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Yes been a proud season ticket holder for years.
Loaned it out this year,as i couldnt afford the increase and disgusted by the effort of some of the players and wenger’s tired excuse’s.

I ain’t gonna lie,a part of me wishes i had renewed.
But seeing as nothing really changed,i’m glad i havent wasted my money.

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Will. I fully understand and accept that you won’t accept my view. Presumably ex Arsenal players / legends would carry more weight? Tell me of one of these who has said that Arsenal don’t need strengthening because I think you will find a lengthy list who do. As for your ” buying success is not success” remark. Tell that to Viera, Bergkamp, Henry, Freddie, Pires, Bould, Winterburn, Wright, Campbell, Dixon, Seaman, Lauren etc.. All bought and paid for. Does this mean the success they had isn’t real?

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

This is the first time in years im not going.
That’s how out of touch i feel.

I still pray to god Wenger gets it right and makes me eat my words.I love Arsenal to death and always will.

But it’s the let downs that have done me.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I am sorry Adamn, I didn’t realise getting the players you mentioned cost the same as buying a small country. I will go back to my history books.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

I’m same as you Mr Is, have two paid em and have loaned em out to a mate who’s paid me for em, they not getting anymore of my money until they put some of our bank assets onto being pitch assets…! The pub with the chaps watching it is more fun anyway and far better atmosphere…!

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

I feel like that aswell,when we go down the pub there is more of a togetherness about the club.

When i go to the grove,i get look’s for singing songs and swearing.

Sorry i didnt know i was going there to watch opera and that i had to sit in silence.

Adam
Adam
14 years ago

Will. I give up. You win.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Will Utd go bust 😆

You living on another planet,thats just such a silly comment.Did you know that utd will be fine when the fifas so called fair play comes into place??

Will
Will
14 years ago

How much does their interest repayments cost?

Adam, were you around is those days?

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

I could put my house on the fact that Utd will not got go bankrupt in my life time.

If you think that,then good luck to you.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Do you see what you guys have done, you have made me have to be the bad guy to oppose your ABSOLUTE and UTTER NEGATIVITY.

Shoes
Shoes
14 years ago

Hi, first time poster, good article. I think we pay him what he wants and then sell him.
Good comments from many, agree there is very little loyalty and this goes back many decades now.

Agree Arsene has become what seems very stale in his outlook I forsee problems if we don’t buy a few players that we are crying out for that in my opinion doesnt lead us into going broke and far from it.
Success leads to more success in my mind and would encourage sponsors to invest in our “brand” when opportunity arises.

Mr Is i think you have raised many valid points and i admire your stance with your season ticket, you to Wath although having had mine since 1973 I am loathe to pass it onto anyone i am to stuck in my ways.
Will your sentiments are dommendable but also unattainable I think, football is far from able to govern itself and far from wanting to as it has been awash with dirty money also for decades. I do think however the gents are making valid points that are not negative at all they just do not fit in with your viewpoint.

Thanks again for a great blog always read and now have posted. We’re all Arsenal remember that when you debate and discuss points of view.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Sorry Will that’s not my plan to make you feel like that at all.

I’m just here to debate Arsenal with my fellow gooners.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Welcome Shoes….. Now you’ve broken the ice a new voice is always good for the melting pot..!

Shoes
Shoes
14 years ago

My apologies, Will comments were to read “commendable” not dommendable. Sorry again

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Great first post shoes,
You should come on more often.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I just want people to see what world we are competing in and we are now not able to just identify a player and get him. Because of a couple of teams all transfer fee’s have gone up to a near unsustaiinable level.

I remember just before RA came to chelsea, transfer fee’s were starting to come down to a reasonale amount again after the Spanish galactico’s farce but as soon as he did, all prices shot up and now that has happened moreso with the Arab’s.

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Tell you what Mr Is, the atmosphere in the bowl is so sterile it’s no wonder the players can’t get motivated when they watched by a crowd that seems dead half the time but thats the fact your not allowed to shout n scream and show passion….. no getting upset someone might object…! utter rubbish that is…! football is about getting passionate about your team so you need to show it. Least with your mates in the pub you can do that.

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

I wonder what happened to Imelda?

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Got zapped in the “brew”

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

W.A.T.H,

A little funny story about that mate.

Well against the chavs i was going nuts the way we was playing and of course because of the team we was playing against.So i was a very happy man after that game.

So i turned up for our next home game against city and saw two stewards waiting in my row.Now when ive started getting to my seat one of the boys said watch out the stewards are after you.I shrugged my shoulders and said so what i aint done nothing.

So they come up to me and check my season ticket and asked who i was and all that.They told me that a FELLOW Arsenal fan had reported me for using abusive language and that they would be watching me and i would be thrown out if that occured.

So the people that i have got to know around me, started getting invovled and said every one in this part and around the stadium swears and they said,

“Are you gonna throw us all out then.This is a guy that gets behind the team and we need more fans like him”. (that bit did make me smile.)

I was really shocked and couldnt believe that i had been reported by our owns fans.

He and the others were told to sit down and mind there own business!!!

MikeB
MikeB
14 years ago

WATH,

Even my lateral thinking doesn’t extend that far 😉

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Sorry that came out wrong,im multi-tasking.I’m at work 🙂

W.A.T.H,

A little funny story about that mate.

Well against the chavs i was going nuts the way we was playing and of course because of the team we was playing against.So i was a very happy man after that game.

So i turned up for our next home game against city and saw two stewards waiting in my row.Now when ive started getting to my seat one of the boys said watch out the stewards are after you.I shrugged my shoulders and said so what i aint done nothing.

So they come up to me and check my season ticket and asked who i was and all that.They told me that a FELLOW Arsenal fan had reported me for using abusive language and that they would be watching me and i would be thrown out if that occured.

So the people that i have got to know around me, started getting invovled and said every one in this part and around the stadium swears and they said,

“Are you gonna throw us all out then.This is a guy that gets behind the team and we need more fans like him”. (that bit did make me smile.)

He and the others were told to sit down and mind there own business!!!

I was really shocked and couldnt believe that i had been reported by our owns fans.

Mr islington
Mr islington
14 years ago

Well not shocked,but more disappointed if anything!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Oh come on Mike 🙂 Witches “brew”…… Shoes and all 😉

Mr Is, the fact Arsenal have instigated this text “grassing” number is beyond pathetic, big brother taken to another level, its football its passionate and feeling run higher than normal and its also a way to let off steam sometimes, ppl that go footie if they don’t like to get involved thats their perogative but to grass other fans up for shouting and swearing is for me a sign of the times mate. The stewards also act like the SS thinking they somebody they not…! The thing is where do those guidelines come from…? upstairs…! toe the party line or get kicked out…!

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Afternoon shopper…………….

W.A.T.H
W.A.T.H
Admin
14 years ago

Well maybe the Mayor should organise a whip round for that club of theirs so the poor tossers can afford to offer the right money for their little kidnap victim, it gets more pathetic by the day…!

Will
Will
14 years ago

We really need to report the Barca tossers but then I think, why bother, they just Uefa’s golden team anyway.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Yes, because we are the class team of woorld football, the bastion of fairplay and all things good.

Will
Will
14 years ago

You could be right there Rico.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Also, would you guys kidnap me, pay me £100k a week and adore me please?

Will
Will
14 years ago

Harsh…

Will
Will
14 years ago

HA ha ha.

Sorry if I upset people here Rico, I am just trying to make people see that we are Aldi, trying to compete with Asda and Tesco’s.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I get a tad passionate about my club, I did once try to bottle 7 Leeds fans in a pub in my younger, wilder days.

Will
Will
14 years ago

I know and I do agree that we need to buy, it is just this negativity that annoys me. If you want a club that will break the bank to win and you are not happy unless we are doing that, I don’t think Arsenal is the club for you.

I am old enough to know that there are times that we will not compete and at the moment, we are living in times where very rich men think nothing of throwing hundreds of millions of pounds away each year.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Ok, no more from me. I think it is cheating but then I am in a minority of 1.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Evening all,
Whats accuring,
Thats two of us Will, i think its cheating as well, i think its time for wage capping throughout the whole of the leagues, if thats right what Rico say’s that Sep Blatter is involved. With his decision we are definitly in the shite. The Man is a corrupt dictator and untill his bumped off, football will also be corrupt. No rules for the rich there never has been, Makes you wonder if City’s sponsor turns out to be the city owner.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Evening Rico, I was agreeing with Will on the fact that i think the wealthy clubs are enticing players with the lure of money, while other clubs cannot compete, now i know that we are a wealthy club and we could quite easily outbid other teams, but we dont, that doesn ‘t make our club right, what it does is just make the club richer, its not that we are saving the money we earn to buy players, because we buy less than most, we pay the highest prices to watch, so the only ones that make anything out of it is the share holder’s owners.

Will
Will
14 years ago

City’s sponsor if City’s owner Steve.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

I suppose Will, untill rules come in Changing the way football teams opperate, alls fair in love and war. But for me, i would love to see all clubs working between the same guidlines. Where managers come into their own, and players the same, whereby the best coaches with the best techniques work out victors. I find it so hard to watch a team like liverpool, who were supposedly struggling financially, spend a hundred million just like that, how the hell can they do that.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

I tent to lean on Wenger’s side a little bit, i know he is not flavour of the month, but when he stated that last year was our best chance to win things and we blew it was about right. We had and have still got a blinding team, i know they crumbled and we had injuries to key players, but we have still got all those players, and they dont become shit overnight. Yes we can introduce a couple of new and hopfully good players to improve us, but i don’t honestly believe we need major changes at least one in defence and i would like a keeper with experience, as many have said before, perhaps a couple of years left in their carrea’s,

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

I see that in Cesc’s absence in Malaysia Vermaelen was made Captain, In my eye’s thats where the captain should be.

I also believe that if we had the whole team to pick from last year, fit and able, we could so easily have won everything, Yes even the Champions League, in my opinion this team is good enough but the comunication is is not right, whether its to do with langauege’s i don’t know but perhaps English lessons as part of their training might help.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

What gets me is that Wenger doesn’t have to worry about anything, we have the money for two or three player’s. We have lost Clicky with Bendy and Denny about to leave if the reports are right to make room, it couldnt be much better, Gazedes has also said we will strengthen so where is our other player, there is no reason why he is not installed and out on tour with the lads, unless the guy Wenger wants is injured and he is waiting till he gets the all clear before announcing

Will
Will
14 years ago

I like it, realism and positivity.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Will, Wenger infuriates me, but the man is so likable talks football language, and above all in my eyes the mans a genius, a great football man, even better than Rednose, as Rednose has never built fuck all he just buys his success, Wenger on the otherhand has rebuilt Arsenal’s Reputation, the best stadium training facilities Youngsters program which has produced many a talented youngster, the team let him down last year, they should have been decorated many times last year, but with key players missing they let the occassion’s over power them, we will undoubtedly fight back and with a spell of injury free games we will again be leading the league.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Thank you Steve, there is not another manager in world football who does and can do what Wenger does.

Let’s see Jose take Wigan into the Champions League without an unlimited check book.

We are swimming uphill with the financially doped teams are in speed boats.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Demento didn’t make: What about Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Neville, Neville.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

I can see the worm is turning Rico, Don’t be too eager to see off Wenger the man will bring the goods of that i am certain, good points about Red nose but i am drumming or trying to drum up support for our team. at the moment, with all the waiting we have done hoping for breaking news, supporters are fretting and are frustrated, I honestly think they are premature, just watch some of the earlier matches we played last year, that tells you all you need to know about this team, they play great football, and can so easily become winners, granted we could have made life easier by buying in January but were the funds there then. also if we had had Vermaelen available would we have needed another defender, i suppose we will never know. They took a few hard knock’s in the latter part of the season and their heads went down, but i expect that to rectify with another years experience and key players back don’t write this team off just yet have a little belief.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Will, everybody wants instant success, if we buy half a dozen players we would be in the same situation that City and Chelsea with waiting for players to gel but no one thiks of that they just want silverware they would even had celebrated the CC and in my eyes that is Marginally better than the Emirates cup, Wenger is a stubbon bugger but he wont go away from his style of play for that i’m certain

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Sorry rico nighty night sleep tight.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Instant success, that is the problem with people today, they want everything now.

I bet these same moaners would be at the town hall celebrating every year if this vision comes good and we dominate everything.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Time for me to sign off, thankyou to every one that commented sorry i couldn’t answer some of you personally, but i don’t earn what these players earn and my day is a little longer, sleep tight all.

Steve Palmer
Steve Palmer
14 years ago

Will, our time will come again, and soon, i’m off son a good night to you mate.

Joaquim moreira
Joaquim moreira
14 years ago

Hello everybody1
I was one week “abroad” in Atlantic Ocean.
No many news except Malaysya tour was a success….
Any new signs?
Fabregas?
I’m going to read the new bits.

Will
Will
14 years ago

Liverpool have joined Arsenal in questioning the legality of Manchester City’s sponsorship deal with Etihad Airways. Photograph: Ed Sykes/Action Images
Liverpool’s managing director, Ian Ayre, has joined Arsène Wenger in questioning the legality of Manchester City’s record sponsorship deal with Etihad. Speaking in the Malaysian capital, where earlier in the week the Arsenal manager had said that City’s new agreement raised “the real question about the credibility of financial fair play”, Ayre also queried the £400m deal.

Under financial fair play, clubs cannot avoid the requirement to stay below aggregate losses of €45m (£39.5m) a year by effectively sponsoring themselves with what are known as related payments. Since Etihad, an airline that has the same number of aircraft as Flybe and has never declared a profit, is owned by the same Bin Zayed family that rules the emirate and owns Manchester City, Ayre believes it is a related deal and has called on Uefa to investigate the matter further.

“When I spoke at Soccerex earlier this year I was on a panel about financial fair play,” Ayre said. “The guys from Uefa said there would be a robust and proper process about related-pay transactions. Is Etihad, Manchester City and Sheikh Mansour a related party? If they are, then it’s up to Uefa to rule on them.”

The other test the Etihad sponsorship would have to overcome is whether it represents “fair value”. Manchester City have pointed out that the £40m a year arrangement also provides for redevelopment work around Eastlands as well as shirt sponsorship and naming rights. However, Ayre questioned whether the naming rights to any stadium – especially one that already has a name – are worth anything like the money the airline has agreed to pay.

“It hasn’t happened in Europe that a football club has renamed an existing stadium and it’s had real value,” he said. “It was the City of Manchester Stadium or Eastlands for the last nine years and now it’s going to be called something different and someone has attached a huge amount of value to that.

“I find that odd because it has never been done before. There is no benchmark that says you can rename your stadium and generate that amount of value. Mike Ashley tried it at Newcastle but nobody called it Sports Direct@St James’ Park and it certainly didn’t have that kind of value.”

Carlito11
Carlito11
14 years ago

That’s a quality post Steve- I would personally argue that if the sums of money being bandied about are real then there is every right to question it. If we knew who else had had payrises and on what basis then we’d be in a good place to judge but I very much doubt the press or anyone else commenting on it really knows. There are players more worthy of a payrise but the whole team should really be thinking what they can do for each other to get over whatever caused them to collectively (RvP excepted) to lose focuse so badly. Not sure a payrise can sort out that kind of problem so maybe Nasri is a risk long term anyway and if we have to sell him it might be for the best long term?