Morning all,
Apparently the FA are looking for a new England Manager to take over from Fabio Cappello as he has made it clear that he will not be carrying on after the European Championships.
Ordinarily I wouldn’t take much notice and although I am an Englishman and follow the England team but what caught my attention was that Arsene Wenger’ s Name is being banded about as a fine replacement.
I believe that England probably couldn’t get a better man but I don’t want to lose the best manager The Arsenal have ever had.
Yes I hear the talk from supporters that have waited for six years without silverware, those supporters are so desperate that many are asking for a new man to lead us. They believe that Wengers time is up with Arsenal and they want a new man in to take over, a man who can lead us to those long-awaited trophies.
Personally, I would rather stick red-hot needles in my eyes than to lose Wenger but the media, pundits, ex players and even out of work ex managers are queuing up to put the Stiletto in Arsenes Back.
Supporters fear that The Arsenal is in free fall and that Arsene Wenger has lost his Magic.
Some have stated that they want the old Wenger back, you know the one, the one that won leagues and FA cups, the one that put a team together to go a full season undefeated, those supporters see that Arsene Wenger to be better than the one we have at present.
I find that very strange, during those six years without trophies as Wenger and the board have moved us from Highbury to The Emirates.
Although we had a lovely little Stadium at Highbury, it housed only half the amount of fans that we boast nowadays and that has increased our overall earnings by more than double.
Fans ask why are we not buying superstars and winning things?
Sorry but the stadium did not materialise out of thin air, the Government did not buy our stadium for us and spread the cost to everybody that pays their taxes. That cost was down to Arsenal and the fans and they are still paying at the moment.
Proper supporters know the other things that have come along too in that time, training grounds, medical facilities and in that six years of no trophies, I believe that supporters have overlooked the position of The Arsenal in the league.
Granted we have not won it and we haven’t won the FA Cup or the Carling Cup but what we have done is qualified for the Champions League.
Why does that matter?
Well it matters because UEFA pay £30 million just to qualify and increments as sides go through round by round which with my limited mathematical skills works out at around the 180 to 200 million pound and that has helped to pay for The Emirates Stadium, not to forget the 8 years previously that we also qualified but, as you know, we were winning trophies under the other Wenger then.
One question I would like to ask supporters who are looking for new leadership is, do you not see The Emirates as one of the most important trophies we could ever have?
Every home game we earn gate receipts of over 3 million pounds and if you just want trophies as bragging rights to your mates, throw that figure in, its amazing how that makes them think.
David Moyes has been put forward for a possible replacement if Wenger is enticed away by one of our bloggers, yes, he is a fine manager but what can he give us that we haven’t got already?
Foreign managers have also been suggested but will they be able to do what Wenger has done? Anyway, that is going off at a tangent!
All the FA need to do is look at the options they have got and I will get to that in just a minute.
The FA have clearly got Wenger in their sights and I have no doubts they have asked him long before now to take up the post and they also have the twitchy fellow down the road who would sell his wife to get that position but who has so far been overlooked.
Talk Sport were saying the other day that David Beckham was also a possibility for the England post!
David Beckham a good English player but what does he know about managing?
The name that springs to my mind is Stuart Pearce, yes Pearce, the guy that’s been coaching and managing the England under 21’s for the last few years, he also sits in on all of the senior games and prepares the subs to come on as Fabio has trouble explaining his tactics to them.
Pearce has been involved in English football as a player, he was brave and dedicated, would run through walls and was proud to wear the three Lions on his chest. He has been involved with all the new English talent coming through, he has nurse maided them, wiped their noses and been in touch with all their clubs and managers.
He’s also in the know about all the current senior players, he has watched previous managers and this current one included.
In an interview on Talk Sport he ruled himself out of the post as he believes he is too inexperienced to run the senior team, all i can say to that is, what can the FA say to that comment?
They can say that he is more experienced than any of the other English managers who would jump at the chance, surely a young English manager who has been around the future of the English team, used to playing internationals, knows how to present himself to the media and also a man of passion, a man who played with passion and I believe he would manage in the same way.
Above all, he’s English and if your old enough which he is, he’s experienced enough and I think he is.
So, my message to the FA is, Go pick the man who ticks very box and leave our manager alone!
Written by Steve Palmer
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Morning all,
me too JM, it’s not good from England 🙁
Good post Steve, but not one I agree with entirely…
I don’t know what you mean by ‘proper fans’?
Yes getting in the CL has been crucial for the money but what has happened to that money?
We make vast amounts on match day and from television showings, what has happened to all of that money?
Merchandise, what has happened to all that money?
Player sales, what has happened to all of that money?
In the 15 years Wenger has been in charges his net spending is reported to be £16 million so it certainly has been spent on reinforcing the squad with true competeive players.
imho, it’s all gone on paying off debt, and at the expense of results on the pitch…
Pearce maybe a good solution for english national team.
Even all, we can won trophies in those last years. In that sense, i’m agree with the post; unfortunatelly not.
And the patient for the fans, have boundaries
Totally agree with you Steve, Wenger is perfect for Arsenal (Bergkamp and Wenger were the reasons I became a supporter of Arsenal from Holland), and Pearce would be the ideal England coach (or is he not fancy enough…).
I don’t think Pearce is right for England in all honesty, they should give the job to Arry, he knows how to motivate sides and look what it would do to the neighbours 😉
Morning rico,
In that fifteen years we have won FA cups we have won the league we have gone a whole season undefeated, we have got to the champions league final the carling cup final we have finished in the top four for all those years we have moved to a better stadium and we are now in the process of building a new squad but apart from all that, proper supporters which you have asked me to explain are people that know that already, and if you were to ask all those good teams that are above us at the moment they would be quite happy with what Wenger and the teams have done in those years, Arsenal have done that off of their own backs they have not relied on a rich owner yes the teams with rich owners have started getting a few results and good luck to them they have certainly waited long enough but have they turned their fortunes round by good Managment and a good boardroom or have they solely relied on rich owners, we have rich owners who could if they wanted buy everything that you ask for but is that the right way to do things, Maybe you don’t care as long as we have trophies in the cabinet but Wenger and the Board do they want to be succesful on and off the pitch, off of the pitch they have turned our fortunes round and if they continue the way they have been progressing it won’t be very long that we see changes on the pitch, personally fifteen years of Arsene Wengers dealings and his victories is good enough for me, and now i look forward to the next fifteen.Get the fundamentals right and it will all fall into place, rich owners can dissapear as quick as they came and what are they left with the same as what they had before they came bugger all.
perhaps champs league money is not so important because rvp will make up any short fall in the jan transfer window.
man city £30mil as been surgested and that £30mil would be sat in the bank a good few months collecting interest before champs leage money is paid out.
Morning Steve, it’s the last 3/4 seasons that nark me, we let the invincibles leave/retire and replace them with kids in the main, along the way we lost a lot of experience and players who knew what winning was all about and that’s what we still lack now imho.
We lost true leaders, again, something we are still short on, and all because the board chose to pay off debts early.
I’m not a fan who expects us to be able to compete financially with the chavs or Citeh, but all i ask is what money we have, he spends…
We always seem to buy the dregs in the transfer market, with the exception of one or two…
Also, reading what Gazidis said yesterday just about says it all….
hi mog, i hope that’s not the case with rvp, but right now i can see why he would want to leave, he’s not getting any younger, nor fitter and no doubt he wants to win something…..
Morning HH…good post steve but wenger to take up the english team? No chance! He would sooner hand himself than take up the post. The english media is notoriously anti wenger they ll make his tenure a miserable one.
Hi rico….robin ll stay. I believe he will. His son, shaquii is a huge gooner. No way he ll wanna let shaquii down….just kidding but I have a feeling he ll end his career with us…theo am not sure of.
Hi goonster, hope you are not at work today 😉
I don’t honestly think rvp will leave either…. we paid him too much sick money 😉
That suits me fine Goonster.
I’m a big Wenger fan as i think you all know, but i would love to ask him about some of his decisions, why we buy Youngsters who appear to be doing very well for their countries yet he seems to hold players back, some of the loaned out players who may be young but a player that can play regulary for rangers and wer’e struggling for defenders we seem short on midfielders but we have players who are playing well for other teams , although i’m sure Wenger knows what his doing but i do wonder about this side of his actions.
Morning all, Steve Yours is a standard mantra and one which would have been acceptable a few years ago. However since then it has not been a case of slow progress as we rebuilt, it is more that we started to fall backwards and currently following that path are now spiralling further towards the depths. In all forms of combat the easiest thing to do is fall back and the hardest is to make up the ground again. What was an easier fix a few years ago has become a knock down and rebuild now. Had we not piled everything in one direction ( basically making the board copious profit ) and spread the load we would not now be looking as threadbare as we now do . We have become a sell to buy club and consequently have to wait on other clubs before we can go into the market which means the best items have gone before we get there. I am not in the Wenger out club , but I do believe that the club needs to change it’s direction or else I can see us going into recession for a few more years like United did over their 26. The future is not bright , if we continue to follow this policy the good ones we have will leave , we will bring in 5 more of which 1 might make it and subsequently be sold when their value outweighs our progress. We will be left with a squad of also rans and finish each season mid table with maybe a good cup run.
No work today rico….sheesh its saturday! Am thinking about quitting the damned job and be a full time blogger. What do you think?
Hi steve…I know you re a huge wenger fan and to tell ya the truth I used to but he let me down a couple of times over and I lost faith in him. I think he should move upstairs or something. We need a younger and hungrier man in charge. Someone that wants to win at all cost and not just contented with the “4th” place trophy. We need change steve not the same old,same old.
Fair comment Potter, i understand where your coming from, but in all honesty i believe we have a good enough squad to keep us at the top the trouble is getting them all fit and playing together, Ramsey seems to play well when Wilshere is next to him and we didn’t know he would be out , there has been one thing after another since the season started and i honestly can’t believe our luck, and now that Sagna has been the latest casualty it seems as if the bad luck is not finnished yet, our problems in defence has not been helped with Vermaelens latest problems, it has left a hole that we had hoped would be filled, and although i feel Song has fitted in well has removed him from a midfield role we have got players who can interchange positions but of course at present it all seems new to them, but i fear that it will be well after Christmas that we can actually see the team at full strength, if the players we have now can muster a few good results and gradually move us nearer the top, we could be in for quite an exciting end of the season. These players are slowly gelling and hopfully with a couple of buys in January we can still threaten by the end of the season.
Hi Potter – i just want the old wenger back and a new board, sadly though, i don’t think we will get either anytime soon…
goonster, nah, stick to your job, blogging doesn’t pay well 😉
The economic model which underpinned the move to the Emirates envisaged stadium debt being offset by increased matchday revenue. Since the Emirates has been full since completion and combined with the sale of residential property the club are ahead of anticipated debt repayment. In other words the Emirates is paying for itself and to blame the move for our lack of football success is misleading.
My problem with Wenger’s transfer activity is not in the amount he has spent, but that he has failed to buy the right players at the right time.
Why I no longer have confidence in him as manager is his arrogant and repeated failure to address what the team do when they haven’t got the ball.
Yeah right rico…its doesn’t pay well. Are you having a laugh.
Hi Goonster, I know a lot of supporters are feeling the same way, but in all honesty i don’t think his hunger has changed i believe he has had restrictions on his spending, i know he has never believed in big name signings but i honestly think he would have wanted to replace Cesc and Nasri with quality, i am not knocking Arteta and Benny but it takes time to mix well in a team that has been geared up for certain player. Wenger may have been wrong in his handling of their sales but i feel he was trying to keep them right up to the last minute, and although we didn’t see Cesc at his best last year he is a massive loss for us, When Managment tell you there is a fund of so much money sitting waiting, i wonder why Wenger hasn’t tapped into it, maybe thats to pacify the fans but i believe that Wenger has had to generate his own fund and when he finally recieved it it went pretty quick. I also feel that Cahill is an Arsenal player that is on loan to Bolton, Wenger would sort a deal out like that to secure Cahill for the price he wanted to pay rather than Cahill go for free, January will probably show i am wrong though.
Totally agree re the right players at the right time Steve, had he done that, we’d probably all not be even discussing Wenger and whether he should stay or go…
I accept that we are unlucky with injuries coming to our best players, however all it does is expose the sparsity of the squad. I would argue that even with Vermaelen , Sagna and Wilshere fit we are still short of a couple of players to replace the ones we have recently lost. I see Arteta and Mertesacker doing a reasonable job , but others are are hit and hope signings as they have been for the last few years,To push Ox chamberlain forward now will give him similar problems to those we have faced with Walcott , and Jack’s injuries are symptomatic of playing too much too soon, we can’t and should not repeat this performance with the youngsters now reaching the team. Circumstances made us buy a gamble on Gervinho when everyone knows that Hazard was the better bet and a little forward thinking might have secured Mata before we allowed the publicity machine to alert Chelsea. We have become reactive rather than pro and the rush to the self sustainability tag is holding us back , whereas a slower pace toward it would have kept us in the shout rather than letting us fall behind.
I must admit Potter that sounds a sound perspective, i feel that Jack may have been pushed a bit too much but with Nas and cesc never fully fit he had to take the chance, the ox does not have to be pushed like that but he will have to play, the same goes for park and ryo used properly they should not get the same problems
Got to pop off for a while guys, back later…
me too…
Arsene is man who has ran out of ideas I’m sorry it’s not just the fact of the trophies or not buying world class players look at united Chelsea barca etc they learn to adapt to the current environment so no one learns how to beat them easily and that’s wenger’s problem he has stagnated into his legacy and refused to adapt and now every team know how exactly to beat us which is we are in the state we are in at the moment. He has relied on small technically gifted players to do the job and yet has forgot about the steel need to let the small players do that. Also zonal marking i physically despise it look at liverpool they tried it a few years ago and they where made to pay. Next up panic buys now for benyoun and arteta not to have Medicals and sign for us is panic buying period! He had all season to get these all sorted early and I would like to point out he said at the beginning of the udinese game at home he bragged he could spend 40 mil on a player if he wanted……. All talk no action!!! Now you mention that the champions league is successful and it is………..for a team like spuds to reach the top four not for us we expect to be there year in and year out that’s what top clubs do along with silverware. What we need to a new manager with new ideas before this situation get really out of hand and we don’t even play in Europe next season. Wenger said ‘judge me in 2009’ well it’s 2011 and you have faile with your project!
Hooray for Stevie Palmer.
Good post Stevo.
Hi Rico.
Check your in-box.
Offski for some plastering, wish me luck.
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AK, you getting plastered??
Good post Steve!!
SteveP, rather than stick red hot needles in your eyes why not just staple your tongue to the floor, it would be much less painful !
Anyhows it may not come to that, if it does however I think wengers next stop may be france, couldn’t see him taking up the england job.
As far as i’m aware we were told we were moving to the new stadium in order to compete with the likes of man united and chelsea and to buy the best players available.
I think we took out an affordable 17 year mortgage which expires around 2030 but over the last couple of seasons the board have been paying it off with bigger sums which may be at the expense of the team, having said that Gazidas has come out and openly said money is available for transfers.
We no longer have any property debts to worry about either, the profits we make should be put back into the team and not lodged in the bank.
My main gripe with wenger is that he continually fails to address the defence when season after season we leak more goals and refuses to spend money that the board have publicly said is available.
Afternoon guys…
In-Laws turned up!! 🙁
Good comment Micko, and what about a proper striker, someone who gets us 20+ goals a season?
Howdy Rico. Howya doing partdner?
Are the Outlaws still in town?
Shucks, those dang outlaws. 🙂
Gotta say, the defence has been Wenger’s ‘Achilles Heel’ since he became the AFC manager.
His list of duff defender signings is endless.
Lee, that was me last night in the pub… 🙂
Hi AK, nope, gone now 🙂
Too many duffers to mention, his best has to be Sol and he was free 🙂
Who’s the worst, Cygan, Stepanos (spelling) or Squilli 😮
Thanks for your email, tomorrow ok for you?
Whenever it’s right for you Rico.
I thought it would be ok for an International break.
Me too, tomorrow it is then 🙂
David Grondin, remember him Rico..?
Think he played in the League Cup a couple of times.
Didn’t end up playing midfield for some Scottish team?
Sebastian Svard, he disappeared without a trace.
Stathis Tavlaridis, another chapo punt…
Then there was Joe O’Cearuill from Watford… hmmm
And who could forget dear old Silvestre. Don’t think Arsene will ever live him down…
George Graham learnt his lesson when Gus Ceasar cost us the 1988 League Cup.
He didn’t repeat it, and we were never ever short of quality defenders after that catastophe.
Bloomin heck AK, how do you remember all of them, i don’t recall O’cearuill…
Jeeps, i forgot Silvestre as one of the worst, he really was a shocker of a signing….
Anorak….. 😀
I should try to get out more Rico 😆
See that the U18’s beat the Chavs at their place 3-0.
Steve, I like AW as well; but his recent self is not cutting it. I want the old Wenger back. The one who is unafraid to demand money to spend; since we are painfully in need of quality and experience– not another one for the future or some two-bob has been. 😉
rico, you sound like you’ve been punished. 😉 Hello, AK, “plastering”, hmmm… Well-done, sir. 😀
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Hello Agag, busy day?
The plastering went well.
Emmanual frimpong was on soccer am this morning, he joined us when he was nine, came up through the ranks with jack wilshire.
They asked him about training, he clarified that Wenger always watches from the side-line and doesn’t get involved and that pat rice and boro primorac take all the training sessions.
Wow, who are those players, AK??? Stepanovs, I remember. And Silveste, how could I forget? 😯 He truly was shocking.
I am well, had a lovely dinner. 🙂 Don’t make a habit of “plastering”. 😛
Hello, Micko. Good to know about AW. Having seen what we have of our defense… Rice and Primorac have much to be accountable for then. 😀 Come on, get Keown in!
😛 AK, i think you should….
Hi agag, indeed i was, so cruel eh 😉
How annoying Micko, i usually watch that but missed it and missed our little toughie….
Last season we bought only one player:Chamack. The really solution for our attack. The future said the real answer. In the middle of the season, we are desesperate for a Goalkeeper, problems in the central back and in the midfield. One of our problems it’s thinking that all players will be fit during all the season. They are not.
We must go in January to the market. Not only for improve our team but also for answer the Africa Caup in February or January. Song, Gervinho, Fripong… will be there. Probably, Denilson, Landsbury …must come back
So it’s true, Wenger doesn’t do defence training, i so wish he would freshen up the training staff….
Agag, he gave you the impression that although wenger doesn’t join in, he does keep his beady eye on everything and nothing gets past him.
Can’t you get a re-run of Soccer Am on skySports.com?
Rico, i shall try… 😉
Good point made there JM, the ACON is going to strip us bare, do we know for sure who has qualified, i’m sure Kt (who hasn’t been around for ages 🙁 ) said one of the countries who are players play for, have failed to qualify…
Can’t remember if it was Cameroon or Ghana?
rico, I hope they’re not fans of your blog. 😀 😀
Micko, that should mean AW realizes how poor our defense training is… 😉 But then again, it may be one of those “I didn’t see it” things. 😉 Sighhhhh.
JM, during 2010-11, Arsenal also signed;
Koscielny, Squillaci, Wellington Silva and Miyaichi.
I could be wrong but i don’t think wenger fancies lansbury.
The first thing that start all of our problems is Wenger’s arrogancy, next is followed by his constant lies and denials.. And 8 – 2 lost is made by all of those above, i still hope that old bud get a really hard slap in the face to wake him up. After all we are all human being, everybody made mistake.. But I quit trust a man who constantly ignoring and telling lies to his fans
Might be able to catch it on a re-run AK, doubt Sky will put it on the ‘best of soccer am’…. 😉
Cameroon didn’t make it Rico.
I think you could re right about Lansbury, why wenger can’t see he is the modern day Parlour I do not know… One thing he’ll always give is 100%….
Yeah, where is KT?? Is he back in school and getting top marks again? Shame on him. 😀 Ahaha. If memory serves, I think he said Cameroon didn’t qualify; so we are not losing Song to some silly injury.
Thanks AK, so we keep Song in Jan…. And we have the little french terrier in Coq so no chance of a M’Vila signing…. blast!!
http://www.socceram.com/story/0,21644,13873_7230707,00.html
Frimpong……
Thanks AK 🙂
Frimpong comes across really well.
Cheers for that Mick.
I always knew i would love the Pingpong AK, what a gooner he is, we need more like him and jack… oh, did i mention Henri 😉
One thing they all have in common Rico.
They’ve come all the way through the Arsenal Academy.
Not parachuted in at 15 or 16.
They have been brought up with Arsenal traditions as part of their….. DNA.
Just been watching a bit of Jack on Mr Renoog.
We miss him big-style.
Ramsey misses him, they were beginning to build a good partnership.
Just what we have been missing AK but every time we think we have the next group coming through he sells them….
Agree re Ramsey missing Jack to, i still think back to the maure game at home last season, they bossed that midfield and that won the game….
Don’t think Wenger will sell the present crop.
Methinks that they’re all of a higher quality to the earlier graduates.
I know it’s all ‘jam tomorrow’ blah blah, but when i look at Coq, Frim, Jack, Aaron, Gibbs, Afobe, Miquel, Aneke, Ozyakup, Szczesny, Campbell, Oxo, Miyaichi, Henderson, etc , you just have to optimistic at how many good ‘uns we’ve got all coming thru together. The trick is keeping them as a group so we can benefit.
Good point AK, and when you list them all it;s incredible to see such talent waiting in the wings but….
Today its about now, if we don’t turn this season around, many of them might not bother to stick around to see their glory days with us, not all have the red and white in their blood…
8 of those listed are wenger buys, not Arsenal born boys….. but lets keep that for tomorrow eh 😉
Yes Rico, sorry about the mistakes.
Must be my age…. 8) 8) 8)
I’m offski.
See ya tomorrow Rico.
Hiya hbieb tieghi (my friends). Time for a spot of maltese language and opinion. Hope you are ok!!!!
Steve, I do not agree regarding Pearce, or any english manager for the England job. The reason is simple…..the majority of English managers/coaches do lag behind regarding tactics and techniques. And the majority is one route football, although that is getting less and less. What England need is a change in mentality and that takes ages to become different. Its the culture which needs to change. And with all these electronic gadgets today kids do not have the time for football. Rather they play on X-box, PSP etc. At 43 years I still prefer playing football to spending time on my computer as AK can testify.
Look at Spain/Italy/France. How many Uefa ‘A’ licence coaches do you find coaching kids from 10 years till 15 in England?? Not that much while in those countries above to coach with kids in the top division a club must have ‘A’ licence coaches. So with Barca you get an ‘A’ licence coach with every years from under 9 upwards. Is it the same in England? I can guarantee a resounding NO. Although that trend is changing. But it would need a change in the overall system and culture, from the premier to the third and conference leagues for it to take effect. In that manner I would suggest that English coaches take badges elsewhere like Italy, Spain etc and work for a year or two abroad to really broaden their horizon. Its astonishing what a change in mentality occurs when you take a coaching licence abroad.
Regarding Arsene, I would like him with all my heart to succeed and ram it down some throats that he can win again. Wenger was a revolution in England way back in 1996, but can the same still be said about him today? Other coaches have caught up and now he is lagging behind. Whether or not this happened because of the Emirates move is another matter, but even with all the hassle of the money why sign Basil Fawlty when he could have got Van der Sar for just 2 million? I know that there was Chesney he did not want to kill but imagine what would have happened had we had VDS between the sticks. Imagine life at the Emirates without the honorary (sic) appearances of Silvestre, Denilson and some of the drivel we were served. But then again, there must be some reason why we had those for not only bed and breakfast but Full board.
I’m following you AK, catch up tomorrow, have a good one 🙂
Nighty all…..
Sorry to leave you devil, hopefully catch up tomorrow??
Whenyou going to write a maltese post for highbury house?? 😉
Sahha to you all. Good night. 😉
Soon maybe. Juggling teaching and coaching and fathering takes a lot of time.
ok, Cameroun is not one of the 2 best seconds…but Chamack is there (Marrocos), Cote D’Ivoire (Drogba… Eboue :-)), Gana(Frimpong ? Samba…), Angola :-).. have we players from Senegal (Sagna…is french :-)),Zambia,Mali, BurkinaFaso?
Evening one and all Gooners.
i dont often make comments on here – but do read the posts regulary.Steve’s posts are always an enjoyable read, and usually talks a good talk. Todays post was no exception – I agree with him 100% lets have a passionate ENGLISHMAN as are next manager. I dont want Arsene to manage our national team – not because he’s french/foreign etc. its simply because I dont want him to leave ARSENAL.
So back to why i dont make so many comments. In my humble opinion is that fron the very start of this season its all got very very negative – towards everything that is Arsenal. If fans from the Manchester and West London were to come on this blog they would be laughing all the way to the Champions League.
Please guys and girls – quite the bitching and get behind the lads and most importantly respect our brilliant manager and all he has done for our fantastic club.
I forgot Gervinho from Cote D’Ivoire. So at least, Gervinho and Chamack
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