We all know Arsene Wenger has now been with our club for fifteen years, mind you it seems like only yesterday that the unknown man arrived looking happy and relatively young-looking, for his age. 😉
Youngish and looking happy.....
We all wondered who the heck he was but it didn’t take long for us to realise David Dein had got us a very special man. It wasn’t long before the pair of them were celebrating getting Arsenal back on the ‘trophy map’.
The next few seasons in the life of a Gooner was pretty good, we soon won the Premier League, the FA Cup and went one season unbeatable. We were the side that every other feared, they hated travelling to Highbury so much, even Paul Scholes once told Fergie he ‘wasn’t up to travelling’ for an away game. What did that say about the formidable side Wenger had built together with the great players he had inherited?
The confidence oozed amongst the squad, even Roy Keane couldn’t get the better of Paddy in the tunnel ‘face off’ – Oh those were the days eh??
David Dein had taken a gamble on Wenger, it paid off and both were happy…
Told you to trust me, says Dein...
Wenger has now become our longest-serving manager and he’s also the most successful manager we have had too with a 57.7% win ratio.
The breakdown is:
859 matches in charge with 496 victories.
During those matches, we have scored 1,583 goals at a rate of 1.84 per game – the overall goal difference is +770.
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Arsène Wenger’s full Arsenal record |
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| P | W | D | L | F | A | |
| League | 569 | 328 | 144 | 97 | 1,070 | 529 |
| FA Cup | 78 | 53 | 14 | 11 | 143 | 59 |
| League Cup | 54 | 34 | 3 | 17 | 112 | 70 |
| Europe | 152 | 77 | 37 | 38 | 247 | 150 |
| Charity Shield | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 5 |
| Total | 859 | 496 | 198 | 165 | 1,583 | 813 |
So, how does Wenger compare to previous managers?
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Top ten win ratios |
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| Manager | Played | Won | Win ratio |
| Arsène Wenger | 859 | 496 | 57.7% |
| Harry Bradshaw | 189 | 96 | 50.8% |
| Herbert Chapman | 403 | 201 | 49.9% |
| George Graham | 460 | 225 | 48.9% |
| Tom Whittaker | 428 | 202 | 47.2% |
| Don Howe | 117 | 54 | 46.2% |
| George Allison | 280 | 280 | 46.1% |
| Terry Neill | 416 | 187 | 45% |
| Bertie Mee | 540 | 241 | 44.6% |
| Phil Kelso | 152 | 63 | 41.4% |
So his record is the best on paper but look at the next bunch of stats.
| Pld | W | D | L | F | A | Win ratio | |
| 1996/7 | 36 | 16 | 11 | 9 | 56 | 33 | 44.4% |
| 1997/8 | 54 | 33 | 13 | 8 | 89 | 46 | 61.1% |
| 1998/9 | 54 | 31 | 15 | 8 | 84 | 38 | 57.4% |
| 1999/00 | 59 | 33 | 11 | 15 | 112 | 66 | 55.9% |
| 2000/01 | 59 | 32 | 13 | 14 | 99 | 62 | 54.2% |
| 2001/02 | 60 | 39 | 11 | 10 | 119 | 62 | 65% |
| 2002/03 | 59 | 34 | 15 | 10 | 119 | 58 | 57.6% |
| 2003/04 | 59 | 38 | 14 | 7 | 114 | 48 | 64.4% |
| 2004/05 | 57 | 37 | 13 | 7 | 117 | 51 | 64.9% |
| 2005/06 | 59 | 33 | 11 | 15 | 96 | 43 | 55.9% |
| 2006/07 | 59 | 30 | 17 | 12 | 98 | 53 | 50.8% |
| 2007/08 | 58 | 36 | 15 | 7 | 113 | 52 | 62.1% |
| 2008/09 | 61 | 34 | 16 | 11 | 113 | 54 | 55.7% |
| 2009/10 | 55 | 33 | 8 | 14 | 116 | 63 | 60% |
| 2010/11 | 58 | 31 | 13 | 14 | 119 | 64 | 53.4% |
| 2011/12 | 12 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 19 | 20 | 50% |
Many think it was David Dein leaving that caused our decline but he left in 2007, the season after was one of Wengers best and 2009/10 was not too bad either but we still won nothing.
Wenger’s successful years were:
Premier League:
1997-98 – 61% win ratio
2001-02 – 65% win ratio
2003-04 – 64% win ratio
FA Cup:
1997-98 – 61% win ratio
2001-01 – 65% win ratio
2002-03 – 57.6% win ration
2004-05 – 64.9% win ratio
Overall, I think Wengers stats show him to be a successful manager but sadly, our win ration for this current season sits at just 50%, last season it was just a tad better at 53.4 over the entire season and we secured Champions League football.
That low percentage was down to a run of dreadful results in the second half of the season, something which we really need to improve on this season if we are to secure Champions League qualification next time around. We need to start winning games and winning them well otherwise we all know what will happen, but….
The reality is folks, since Christmas last year, we have done nothing other than decline……
And that is being very generous to Arsene……
So, is 57.7% enough, bearing in mind his first season averaged just 44.4%?
Finally, The Daily Mail reports that Denilson could be on his way back a bit earlier than expected. He has already annoyed the fans of Sao Paulo after picking up two red cards in three appearances. The fans want him and their manager gone so we’ll have to see what happens….
I knew I shouldn’t have written yesterday’s post about him…. 😉
still pissed about last weekends result
Very intresting how we have declined since last year !!!!!
Morning Rico. Personally I think the club has been in decline for the past few years. Wenger has played fast and loose with the squad and too many players who are not good enough have found themselves wearing the Arsenal shirt. Buying Silvestre was probably the start for me. It was wrong on so many levels, not the least being that he was crap. Wenger has let the quality slip year after year to where we are now. He has not been remotely proactive and has let the tail wag the dog year in year out. But my biggest problem with him is that he has done virtually nothing to address the team’s problems. They are hardly a secret are they? How long did he persevere with Almunia? How many seasons have passed since our defense could be relied upon? Although, like any decent human- being, I despise Ferguson, I admire the way he has re-invented his team and tactics as the years have rolled by. Our manager has not done this and has merely entrenched himself deeper into some sort of tactical cave where, I don’t think he can now see the woods for the trees. His remarks about not getting a defensive coach to help out recently convinced me that his myopia is killing the club. His glib retort about being a coach for 30 odd years in response to the question was Nero-esque in it’s arrogance as we had just shipped 8 goals against Man Utd. I can see no future with him in charge now unless he changes his antiquated ideas massively. Will we ever win anything with him in charge again? That is really the only question at the moment.
Moaning all….
Hi Diane, i think the decline started long before last season….
Could you please take off that picture Rico or I might be forced to smash my phone…..just kidding. Morning guys. Denilson coming back might not be a bad decision after all. He ll have learnt a couple of tricks….brazillian flair that is. Am looking forward to seeing him you guys. At least he takes a pop from distance unlike our current mid fielders who seem to pass even in the 6 yard box.
Hi Adam
I still look back to when we let Cole go in exchange for Gallas and £5M – that was a crazy deal, Silvestre, well if he was not good enough for Alex, why did wenger think he was good enough for us, shocking and all because he was very very cheap…
Same with Squilli and a few others….
Then this summer we buy Arteta, good but had his best days and Yossi, and ageing unfit reject from the chavs…
Anyone looking forward to the return of Denilson is a fair indicator of how far Arsenal have fallen. Remember when we used to have World-Class players? Name one now. Settling for mediocrity is a long, slow and painful process which must be resisted. Especially at the prices we pay for our season tickets. Denilson? No, at any price. Never, ever. But let us not over react. Diaby is only months away from a return.
Rico. Regarding Cole, I absolutely agree. But, if you remember, that was another Wenger Midnight Special where he left it too late and got shafted again. Nothing changes. Nor will it.
Hi goonster, by the sounds of it, all he has learned is how to get sent off 😉
What picture, Arson?? 😉
I will name one World Class player we have. Robin. But, unless he sees a future, I doubt he will grace our club for long and that will be very, very bad news indeed. I am struggling to think of anyone else though.
We were saying the same yesterday Adam, it shows how bad things have got if Denilson is in our minds, same with Nik….
I remember the midnight deal, i stayed up watching the updates, praying it wouldn’t go through then was left gutted, Bentley was another midnight exit too i believe, i wasn’t happy about that one either….
Shows how low we ve descended….if we really are wishing we still had nicky pink boots and denilshit. Wow. I feel like crap right now.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The answer is to bring back Lansbury…he and Coquelin would be great! Just get rid of Deilson on the cheap alongside most of the players we have loaned out to Spain!
I have a god feeling that Denilson might turn our season upside down. I dont know why but ifeel that we need him at the moment.
Exactly goonster…
Hi pete, i don’t want him back either and would much rather see Lansbury, in fact i’d rather see Lansbury than a few of them right now, at least he’d have performed with heart on sunday….
Big Moe, he’d do that alright, right upside down and its bad enough already 😉
Arsenal arsenal has a good post on our morrocan import whom I think is underrated and unfairly picked on. This is a guy that formed a wonderful partnership with yoann gourcuff. I saw him in the french league then and believe me….he was class! this goes to show that we have the ability to turn average players into crap and classy ones average. Take arshavin for instance, how many of us were dancing when we signed him…..now look at him. I really don’t believe all the players we ve bought lately are crap. You can’t tell me mert,santos arteta diaby kosheilny etc are all crappy players. Its a coaching thing not a player one. How can you explain playing ashavin on the wings when you know he won’t track back to help out the defense. We all remember watching him in euro 2008. Who can forget how he ripped the dutch to bits. Nicky pink boots was deployed on the right wing last season…..I mean what’s that about. Walcott? Don’t even get me started on that one. We ruin players and not the other way round. Am done….thank you.
Big Moe. Resist those god feelings mate. Next thing you know he will be back and being out-sprinted by referees. What we need is the equivalent of a bomb going off at the centre of our club which would require a rebuild. The more I read about Kroenke, the less convinced I am that he will do anything. Whenever these people talk about Wenger I feel they are thinking about the man of many years ago I am much more concerned about the somnambulist in charge now.
goonster, we touched on playing players out of position yesterday, wenger has done it with too many players….
Goonster. Do you mean Chamakh? Yes, he had a decent few games last season but since then he has been worse than crap. He is not good enough for Arsenal. Good players have a degree of consistency to their game. If you settle for people like Chamakh then you will stay where we are, at the bottom of the PL. Arsenal have the infrastructure to be one of Europe’s top clubs they should be setting their sights a lot, lot higher than strikers who don’t score like Chamakh. We all need to take a step back and have a long, hard and critical look at where we are, why we are there and where we are going I think. Putting sentiment aside is not easy where the club you love are concerned but we are on a road to nowhere.
Adam chamakh is not crap…if Ferguson had him am sure we ll be staring at his direction with envy. He needs regular football just like any other player. We all saw what inactivity did to most of our players. TR7 didn’t was out for an extended period and hasn’t been the same player since. Eduardo, ramsey and diaby to name a few. Vela was the hottest prospect since hugo Sanchez yet we couldn’t get the best out of him cause we played him out of position or didn’t play him at all. Then when he eventually plays….he’s label shit! We ve just signed the South korean captain yet we ve only seen him in red and white once. If tomorrow now we are forced to play him cause of injuries and suspensions a whole not of gooners ll say he’s not good enough for arsenal. Chamakh was class in that bordeaux team and if we revert back to 442 you guys ll see the beast in him.
Chamakh imho is no better than Nik right now, sadly it seems his antics in LV have got to him – but, I do think there is a proper striker in him somewhere if he could get his confidence back….
Unfortunately we don’t know how good how good Chamakh is. Football is a team game so if you ask a player, any player, to play on his own he will fail.
Good point Steve – even the great RvP is struggling to score goals right now, the team as a whole are well off their game…
Rico nik is better than chamakh? Come on ma’am, no way.
Maybe a better finisher but a better player….no chance. This guy won us the game at eastlands. He kept us close to the leading park all through last season. When robin came back he lost his place and form. He won us tons of penalty and a couple of red cards. He works his socks off ain’t that what we ve been crying out for. He chases every ball and holds up play like no one in that team…even better than VP! I just know he ll get better with more games under his belt. I love the guy he chose to come to us….he has always wanted to play for us and he’s got arsenal DNA unlike most of our players who has barca written all over them.
Folks , I can play better and score more goals than RVP or Chamakh if I am given more playing time! Hows that for confidence booster!
I didn’t say he was better goonster… 😉
Thank God cause he’s not…..am just happy we have him. He should be starting games not coming in as a sub. He’s not a proven goal scorer so bringing him in won’t change anything. I have huge faith in maroune. He’s generally a good guy. Hardly ever runs his mouth about playing more games.
Would like to see Chamakh get a chance to play up alongside RVP up front for a while, we really need two up front. This 5 in midfield is not working.
If we revert back to 442 maroune and robin ll be a handful for most defense. He ll only improve playing alongside class players like van persie and not warming the bench.
Thank you ESP……were you reading my mind. We need two strikers at most playing at the same time. I wonder why we keep playing 4231 or 443 even on our home turf. Wenger needs to rethink his formation. I see no reason playing five men in the middle if we can’t make our possession work.
Meant possession count…..
I agree he needs playing time ESP, thats the only way he’ll get confidence back – but unless wenger wakes up and listens he will carry on regardless, with his head in the sand…
What he is doing right now isn’t working, a good manager would have tried something different by now….
That’s the problem rico….wenger is not a good manager!
If only he ll change even with this team we could surprise a few with the right atitude,players and formation. I might be out of line here but seriously guys are you telling me manure has a better squad than us? Just saying!
he is goonster, he has been one of the best in the world – but, right now, he’s one thats lost his way…. certainly with arsenal….
They do I am afraid Goonster, But they have paid for that good squad though, you really do get what you pay for.
Lets just go 4-4-2, I think Coq and Arteta in centre mid could work. freeing up another play up front. But we need workers on the wings.
Ok ESP let’s dissect both teams…goalkeep….chesny and de gea? What do u think?
goonster, i have to agree with ESP, their squad is miles better than ours, just look at the depth in defence and going forward….
morning all…interesting debate…we may have better players at a few positions, but united’s overall squad is stronger, has more depth in terms of experience and quality, is set up to play to the strengths of more than one or two players and is overall better…i don’t like it any more than you do, but denying it won’t do any of us any good…
their youngsters are bred into a culture of winning, they are not expected to carry the team when they break through and they have strong, accomplished examples to learn alongside…for us, the reverse is unfortunately true…
Right back sagna is better than any mug those northern pricks cam put out….left back is an issue here. I don’t think evra is better than santos maybe gibbs but definitely not better than santos. He gets caught out of position most times. Vidic does the clean up for him whenever he roams forward. And don’t forget they have players like park and fletcher who does a lot of work without the ball. If we can replicate that I think our left back won’t be our weak point any more.
hi oliver, i think you have hit the nail on the head – the youngsters that fergie is bringing through know only of winning, something which we lost a few seasons ago….
Hello Oliver…is it morning or should I say good afternoon.
Now that’s what I ve been waiting for you all to say ll day! Winning mentality. I was gonna get there eventually but I just wanted you guys to see where am coming from. Among the players we have only rosciky and maybe Santos has ever been in a title winning team. we have a bunch of youngsters who know nothing about winning. That’s the problem. If only the invisibles weren’t torn apart that earlier maybe just maybe we ll still be winning titles now.
Sorry forgot chamakh and gervinho
morning gs…it’s 8:20 am here…
hi ricco…i understand arsene has a vision for the club, to play with a specific style that marks us as unique (in the epl, anyways), to grow a young, all-conquering team together, to allow our technically-skilled players to express themselves. this is all laudable in theory, but is looking more and more impractical in application…right now we are left with an unbalanced squad, bereft of tangible achievement (other than continuing to make the top four), wanting in on-pitch leadership, and unable to do so many of the basics necessary for consistently winning…
i think this is one reason why culture and style are trumpeted so heavily and arsene is effectively deified at our ground. when you look past it, there isn’t much else – some very good players in some positions, some promising youngsters who may or may not become great, but little to show in the way of accomplishment. so you use other these other things to market the product…but the lack of tangible achievement – and the nightmare run of form since february 28th – make it more and more difficult to sell this…
gs, robin started in feyenoord’s 2002 uefa cup final win over dortmund…that was the match played at their home ground (de kuip), just a couple of days after pim fortuyn was assassinated in rotterdam…it’s almost a decade ago, but i remember it quite well…
jens and rosicky were in the dortmund team that evening…
i think we have talent, but our sum has been less than our parts for a few seasons now…whereas man united – also with supreme talent in certain positions – have a sum that is overall greater than their individual parts…their sustained success more than amply attests to this…
Yeah Oliver they eventually lost to Madrid in the european super cup…yeah. Wow that feels like centuries ago! Thanks Oliver.
and robin was dropped for that match, if i remember correctly…we look at the problems between him and van marwijk, shown so starkly during the 2010 world cup…but much of the ill-feeling originated when they were at feyenoord together right around the turn of the century…
The problem oliver is wenger dismantled the invisibles too quickly. Guess he was in a hurry to play wengerball. If he had kept paddy v Henry pires and maybe sol and ashley cole. We ll still be winning titles and the young ones coming up will know what’s like to win a trophy. I am in my mid twenties and believe me I ve known ryan giggs all my life….as a kid and as an adult. He’s a constant feature for them. He tells them what it means to play for united. Scoles retired last season leaving behind him a very confident fletcher, Anderson and Gibson. They have rio ferdinand who ll teach the youngsters like evans smalling and jones how to defend. Contrast that with our team and you ll see what I mean.
I remember pierre van hoijdonk scoring a brace on that day oliver. The madrid defense was caught napping. The second was a blistering free kick…wow. Whatever happened to feyenoord. They were my favorite dutch team. I supported them as a kid.
good comment oliver but as much as wenger is trying to build, i don’t get why he doesn’t see it’s not working, rather that plugging on with the same old same old, he should be back to the drawing board and try something fresh.
that might just spring a surprise on the oppo, just as his style did when he first arrived in the uk….
folks!
I’ve nothing to say. Just read the news and the speculations. Our crisis is for a long time ago? maybe. But the reality is this: Last year, in February, we have good chances and be in a good position for run for all the competiitons and win something. And this in mind, was more or less the same since a few years ago. How many times in the last years we defeat the League in the last one/two month or how many times we were at top on January? Not godod decisions in the right time? Injuries? Players with many massive games? Suspensions? alltogether?
Cues there’s no more space on the drawing board rico….he’s currently scribbling on the dressing room walls and on napkins.
I’ve heard that Cygan is also coming back along with Silvestre and Stephanovic……………….
Oliver if we had experience heads in that team…..we wouldn’t have lost that carling cup final…..that’s the saddest day of my life as a gooner! It still hurts as hell.
And Jeffers TT, to solve our striker crisis …..
gs, i will agree that we dismantled the invincibles too early…with the new stadium project on the horizon and cash understandably expected to be tight, i understand the reasons for letting so much experience go at once, but it clearly backfired on us…especially when you consider the one superstar we did keep – th – lasted only a couple of more seasons with us…perhaps it would have been better to move him at the time, and perhaps keep a couple of the other winners onboard. that may have made the transition much easier and our kids may have grown up quicker…
but, i say that with the benefit of hindsight…i won’t unload on arsene and the club because i understand the reasons behind it – it was just one of those things that didn’t work out…
ricco, i suspect he is too emotionally wedded to his concept to try something different…a lot of us – including me – have asked why we don’t change formation, as our 4-3-3 was implemented to accomodate our former number four…looking at it from a different angle, i know think the reverse is true – that arsene is committed to that style, that formation, and in our recent departure, he had the perfect player to fit that formation – not the perfect formation to fit the player…
i think, as results/morale/supporter mood continue to deteriorate, arsene will just dig his heels in even further and continue to persist with this…
it’s his call, but if he is going to do that, at least try and improve our dead-ball proficiency…i know i keep banging this drum, but we are so poor at free kicks/crosses/corners, and these are potential goals…this is something that can be improved without compromising anything that our manager holds so dear…
……with kaba diawara,gus Cesar amaury bishoff to strengthen our squad depth….*grinning*
if he isn’t able to change his training methods and tactics for the good of our club oliver, then there has got to be only one alternative imho….
Oliver experience begets experience my man….that’s all I ll say for now. Stadium project or no stadium project. Paddy v wanted to stay but the greedy git wanted to cash in on him to the detriment of the team. Had viera stayed young ones like diaby would have met an arsenal legend and learnt a few things off him. It narks me when I see giggs still running at defenses and scoring….if only we kept four out the original invisibles….the most important four that is…..paddy v henry sol and cole. If only. I can only dream though!
at just about any other club, this wouldn’t be a discussion any more – something decisive would have already happened…clearly, we are not “any other club”…
you know this – ask him why he won’t change his training methods and/or tactics for the good of the club and he will tell you that exactly what he is doing is best for the club…
i don’t agree…he is as fallible as any of us…but it would seem that he is not accountable as any of us…
gs, i am not quite convinced that paddy wanted to stay – remember how close he was to going to madrid on more than one occasion? i have a suspicion that the reason arsene sold him to juventus at the time he did was because of what went on during previous summers…
nevertheless, we did have plenty of experienced players who could have stayed around for longer….and, in hindsight, should have…
It was all rumors back then he confirmed it…..he didn’t want to leave. He wanted to stay and lead arsenal to the emirates. Am sure wenger wanted to make a few quids off him before his time is up. had viera stayed Henry might have stayed too.
yes, and we end up coming to the same conclusion about our manager, he is untouchable so it seems…..
goonster – i heard he failed a medical at real madrid and that was the reason he didn’t leave that summer….
……and who knows what we might have achieved now. A couple of champions league winners medal? Yeah its possible. That team at its peak was the best in the world. Add reyes robin cesc diaby hleb flamster and adebyebye to the equation and you ll see what a cracking squad we could have had. Experience and youth? Yeah we had it. Unfortunately the money grabbing gits that runs the club had other plans. What rotten luck we have.
I’m off for a bit guys, back later….
Unconfirmed rumors rico…..paddy v wanted to stay and lead us into the new “emirates’ era. I believe him not some scummy spaniard writing for a shitty news paper. The same paper confirmed we had signed mata and got me dancing for days. I don’t believe a word marca prints.
Chamakh is absolute rubbish and not good enough to play for Arsenal. He can’t trap a ball. control it or make a 10 yard pass. He has no shot worth speaking of and is only any good trying to get his head on a cross and we know that Wenger doesn’t like that sort of football, because he told us. He is in absolutely no sense good enough for Arsenal Football Club. Evra is a far better full back that Gibbs who I am not sure is a full back at all because he is very seldom in a full back’s position. I have only seen Santos play live once and he looks like he has something. From my short viewing he also looks more like a left sided midfielder than a full back. I am an old fashioned guy perhaps but I do like a full back who can defend first and go forward when the opportunity arises. I know it is an alien concept to Arsene but defenders who can defend can win you a cup because if you give one or two goals away every game it means you have to score two or three to win. Sort the defence and build on that seems eminently sensible to me. And by he way, it was Vieira who tapped up Nasri.
Hey Goonster, sorry I feel asleep! (Life of a college student!) Right now at this exact second? De Gea… because Szczesny is injured 🙁
Wow Adam….seems like you really have it in for chamakh….. ESP cheeky ain’t ya…
Any other day of the week I would pick our number one! (Long time since that was a viable option)
the inevitable szczesny official denial via dot com is out…in it he denies ever saying he deserved the armband ahead of robin – which is corroborated by the source i used for yesterday’s comments, the yg article…what szczesny says today – and in the article from yesterday – is that he has always wanted to be captain “if i ever get that honour”…
in the rebuttal, he also made light of “szczesny to barcelona rumors” and how he laughs every time he sees them…however…he did not deny making the comment linking himself with fcb, whether tongue-in-cheek or not…
Afternoon…
goonster, honestly, i think that medical story re Paddy had a bit of truth to it…
all quiet here, so off to get dinner….
Well am sorry rico unless he comes out and says other wise I won’t believe anything printed in that spanish shit….evening all
Hmm Wilshere defending wenger. This boy is going to be a legend but not with wenger around. A different coach will bring the best out of him….david moyes anyone?
Guys….hello? Looks like am all alone again. Oh well, I ll just wait till someone pops up.
Surely Goonster you would want a succesfull coach surely not a loser like Moyes, why change one loser for another, Gooners want to be No1 they want success they want trophies they must want Furguson, isn’t he the best, rico pointed out Ancelotti yesterday he hasn’t got a job would you not want Abromovitch’s cast off, you only have to bung him to get rid of him if it dosn’t bring the Champions league straight away, what about the other winner the scotsman that won the Carling cup or perhaps the Twitcher he won a Carling cup. we need a golod man though, some one that can put us in at least the top four for the next fourteen years, maybe you right David Moyes sounds good, Tell Arsene to shut the door as he leaves the new stadium.
I like moyes I guess that’s why am letting it cloud my judgment. But the fact of the matter is…..moyes ll never lose to 8:2 to manure! Neither will he lose to spuds at the emirates while in the lead. Moyes ll sooner smash that lot to bits before they ll lose him the carling cup final. You know what steve…give moyes the same budget, freedom and power as wenger and let’s see if he won’t do better.
And steve moyes didn’t lose to Chelsea all through last season both in cup competitions and in the league. He’s not a loser…..give him wenger’s job then judge afterwards.
Sorry Goonster i forgot all he’s trophies, not loseing to Chelsea all last year, didn’t realise he’s resum’e was quite so good.
Tell you the truth Goonster, i like Moyes as well but i have to say not at Arsenal.
Come on steve….moyes ll kick this team back in shape and you know it. He hasn’t won a trophy cause he’s managing a crap team like everton. ok you tell me what has wenger won in the last six years? He even lost a cup final to a relegated team! Moyes would have smashed that brum side in the final. He won’t play walcott on the wings and definitely won’t play a high line that exposes our defense or play a 4231 or 433. Moyes might not be good enough for arsenal but he’s better than what we have now!
Am sorry steve but can wenger ever motivate his team to come from a three goal margin against any club let alone manure….moyes did it….they could have won it but for coward webb!
They were dead and buried at goodison park but moyes turned things around and they could have nick it. Moyes>wenger. FACT!
Wenger has made five to eight changes in many games over the years but i can honestly say that he wouldnt have made eight changes against United if he had control over it, Judge him again when we have all our team available, we still may not win but i am pretty certain that was a one off. I know Wenger is loseing fans by the day, bad press ex players slagging him off and now the fans digging him out, but i can assure you if he did go he wouldn’t be out of work long, and he wouldnt be writing for a job in the papers.
Steve that’s the problem…moyes won’t leave till the final day to get his players. He ll get them early bed them with his current side and form a formidable squad out of them. Wenger is living on past glory and I guarantee you steve he won’t last longer than my first ejaculation on a different job. I want him out and fresh blood in. Period.
Show me a manager that can guarentee top four for fourteen years and that is a succesful man, 30 million just to get in the champions league thats where our stadium came from, i know fans want trophies, and when they start coming there will be another thirty thousand at the ground to watch it, one step at a time were building the Arsenal empire,and then the victories, do it right the first time and theres no looking back, just a little foresight thats all
goonster, i heard it from somewhere other than the spanish media….
Moyes suffers – his club has no money whatsoever…..
Evening Steve…
Steve show me a manager that has the kind of funds,freedom and experience wenger has and yet haven’t won a title in 6 years. Don’t get me wrong am quite grateful for what he’s done for the club but its time he steps down for someone younger and hungrier to take over. He should look at his old friend and rival aime jaquet….he won the world cup with france and retired. He’s a legend in France. Wenger is only going to ruin his own reputation and his legendary status is already under question. We need change steve not same old same old.
steve – for me it is not just about trophies, it’s about having a team that look capable, a team who look up for every game, a team who care about our club, a team that has players who will shed blood for the colour of their shirt, for the badge on that shirt…..
And a manger who will admit to himself he needs a bit of help and then go and get it…..
If we do and get all that and still don’t win trophies then fine but right now, we look awful on and off the pitch….
Goonster you have your opinion and i can see i won’t change that, but in years to come you will see what i am talking about, and hopfully then you will appreciate how tough its been. He may go down in the history books as a manager that had reasonable success, but for me he has changed Arsenal football club from a financially unstable position to what i believe will be the best run football club in the world, and success will follow success.
Thank you Rico….if moyes could get his hands on the kind of training facilities, funds and players at wenger’s disposal he ll would have won the league a couple of times over. Fergusnose won’t be lining him up as a successor if he wasn’t good enough.
goonster, the first change i hope for is the so called board….
I think moyes is in line to replace fergie anyway goonster but, i am not sure he is that good, i wouldn’t want him to manage us, thats for sure…..
It’s easy to suggest that money will make everything right, but Mark Hughes is living proof it doesn’t – the manager still has to have the ability to get the players to gel….
Tell me about it rico….our current side lacks cojones. A manager like moyes and keown as his assistance will soon get them back to winning ways. I said it in the morning and I ll say it again. The difference between the manure team and ours is COACHING! I stand by my earlier comments that the manure team is not better than ours….period.
What can i say, we do look shit at the moment, we may have another trophy less season, we may lose Wenger for a younger man and he may have success but never forget without Wenger we would be in the lower leagues scratching a living of that i’m certain.
You can put a new man in, the stadium is built and is well on the way to being paid off, profits are up and we have sixty thousand fans that turn up, what a job for a stranger to take on, but dont forget the stubboness of wenger not buying when you know he wanted to, just to get all this in place.
Nah, not Moyes for me goonster…
I’d much rather a manager like Van Basten with Keown, someone who has flair in his style but with ruthless defending with Keown.
Ancelotti with Keown, Bould or Adams…
Or just Keown as manager with Bergkamp as his assistant 😉
Right now we have Wenger, all we need is for him to go and call Keown and we’ll soon be back….
Spot on Steve about what he has done and i think most honest fans would stand up and say that wenger turned our club around, what i still can’t understand is why, when and how did he suddenly change his ways?
Jeez, if we still had the man that breezed in to our club in 1996, he’d be challenging fergie for best manager…
I could talk all night but you probably won’t be happy till he’s gone, the feeling i get is fans want the here and now and i am afraid that is probably whats going to happen.
Nte nte all
Rico I never suggested moyes….I just said right noW I ll tAke him over wenger……And rico if fergie wants him as his successor doesn’t that say something about the man!
No Steve, i want the old wenger back, the board should be the bfirst change imho……
goonster – i would want moyes over wenger, not now, not any day….
And who’s to say he won’t turn out right. Wenger was coaching a Japanese side for pete’s sale before we signed him. Am not saying I want moyes but right now….on current form, I ll take him over wenger.
Sorry mama bear….moyes over wenger any day any time…..hmmm any where*winks*
If and when wenger goes goonster we need a quality manager to take his place and that isn’t moyes….. imho
There are many managers out there in the world of football who would jump at the chance of managing a club like ours……
I hope you re right rico cause right now….we are shit. what manager in his right senses ll wanna manage us with those scummy board members. I doubt any manager worth his salt ll want to mAnage us with those mugs in charge.
Right now goonster i would rather Wenger puts it right, then in Jan, go get Cahill, M’Vila and a gola scorer – that’s all we need imho…
Our squad would be good then and with Keown on board we would be sorted…
Simples….
Right folks, thats me done….
Catch up tomorrow…..
Night all….
Rico even if we get the entire barca team we still won’t win squat under wenger. He ll probably play messi as a left back and fabregas as the goalie. Look rico, its not A player thing but a coaching one..wenger needs to go period!
StevePalmer, re your 8.36, complete and utter tosh, ask yourself where would arsene wenger be without arsenal today, we made him who he is, if we didn’t come in for him in 1996 he would probably still be coaching in Japan and we would all be saying arsene who !
Scratching a living in the lower leagues, my arse.
Night mama bear…..guess I better follow suit. Good night HH…see ya tomorrow by God’s grace.
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