Amorim compared to Mikel Arteta. lol!

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Morning all.

Ruben Amorim is having a tough time at Man Utd which obviously I couldn’t give two hoots about but it’s quite amusing to see Jim Ratcliffe use Arsenal and Mikel Arteta’s initial struggles to defend his manager and justify why he needs more time. A lot more time.

“Ruben needs to demonstrate he is a great coach over three years,” the Manchester United minority owner told The Business podcast. “Football is not overnight. It’s three years. You also look at Arteta. He had a miserable time over the first couple of years.”

 


One, possibly the only comparison between the two managers first season, is that they both reached a cup final. As the Sky Sports article goes on, “while Arteta guided Arsenal to FA Cup success, beating Chelsea in the final having overcome Manchester City in the last four, Amorim suffered Europa League disappointment against Spurs”.

Seriously though, the two managerial journeys are very very different. Amorim arrived at Utd with six years of managerial experience behind him him including four years at Sporting Lisbon while Mikel Arteta walked back I to Arsenal with zero managerial experience. Yes he’d coached players at City and he’d worked with Pep Guardiola but there’s a huge difference between that and managing your own staff and players.

Talk about lowering the bar to defend a manager who is clearly struggling to implement his style and tactics at his current club.

However, in some ways it’s refreshing for someone relevant at a club to come out in support of a struggling manager as far as “time” goes. Expecting a new manager to walk into a new club and immediately excel is foolish in my opinion. Any manager needs time and more importantly, he needs players. His players.

We have seen the change/improvement at Arsenal which has gone hand in hand with new players joining the club. Better players in some cases or in others, different kind of players. At the time, I didn’t think Mikel Arteta inherited a dreadful squad, not when one considers he had the likes of Tierney, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil, Guendouzi, Leno, Pepe, Martinez and Torreira to name a few but they just weren’t who Arteta wanted or needed going forwards. For different reasons I’m sure, nearly all of the group of players he inherited have long gone and as harsh as it might sound, we’re better because of it. Personally, i couldn’t understand stand some of the decisions Arteta and the board made in relation to players who were sold/moved on but broadly speaking, they’ve proved to be right.

Similar could be said about players who have joined the club since December 2019 too, overall I mean. Yes, a few have come and soon gone but that’s something many clubs go through as not every transfer works out but I think the last two/three years have seen a number of quality players arrive at Arsenal. This summer was an excellent one in my opinion and we’re yet to really see just how good Piero Hincapie is.

Of course we all want jam today, but more often than not, it doesn’t arrive. Seldom does it arrive tomorrow either but as long as the recipe can be seen and the fruit is being picked, it will be made.

Perhaps that’s what Radcliffe is trying to say when he talks about Mikel Arteta. A rocky start he might have had but the Arsenal board/owners along with the manager knew time was needed. More time than me and other impatient fans expected I’m sure but I’m not sure there’s another manager out there who I’d prefer to see in the Arsenal dugout. Not unless we could go back in time to 1996.

Lastly, if you haven’t seen Bukayo Saka’s goal for England last night, check it out. Brilliant..

Catch up in the comments.

 

 

 

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Aussie Geoff
Aussie Geoff
7 months ago

Afternoon Rico and all. Nice write up Rico
I have no idea how they can compare these 2 managers, When Arteta took over we had just started to rebuild from scratch, Man U had the money and the players to work with also Sir Alex was still coaching in the background were Wenger walked rite away from the club and had no say in who stayed and who went.

Cicero
Cicero
7 months ago

I think that’s fair providing the away club pay in full for the number of tickets they request whether they sell them all or not.

The rate at which United are dropping points the fans are going to be royally passed off to learn that it will be the best part of two years before the team can be considered competitive.

Arteta had a number of players that he considered incapable of playing his preferred system but, unlike Amorin, he didn’t freeze them out immediately but operated judicially in the transfer market to replace them and also promoted players from the club academy.

To compare the two is not so much chalk and cheese as cheese and the contents of the tray at the bottom of a parrots cage.

allezkev
allezkev
7 months ago

Morning Gooners, morning Rico, yes I saw that Jim Ratcliffe piece (didn’t watch it), that’s the sort of absolute garbage comparisons you get when the sports media keep on pumping out negative narratives on Arsenal and Arteta, people get groomed into thinking a certain way about a club and/or it’s manager.

So, of course Ratcliffe would use Arteta, after all he’s getting the sack this summer don’t you know, especially if Arsenal don’t win the Treble – because the Overlap said so!

The comparisons are tenuous, Amorim has been a league champion 3 times in Portugal with Sporting whilst Arteta was a new manager having to rebuild a squad of players who were overpaid and under-motivated whilst learning on the job, only Bernie Mee in recent years comes close to Arteta in it being his first job.

As for the tickets for away teams, somebody in the ticket office and the ground staff needs to grow a backbone, we shouldn’t be filling half the Clock End with away fans in cup ties, they should be squeezed into the corner and both upstairs and down regardless of security and control issues because it can be done if you’re determined and smart enough to do it, if you’re not then the club should hire someone who can do it. Newcastle have it right…

allezkev
allezkev
7 months ago

Also look at the two pictures Sky Sports used in the graphic, Amorim looks relaxed and in control, Arteta looks like a raving lunatic, that’s a choice Sky took in projecting their narrative of in particular Mikel.

Sky are insidious in their anti-Arteta and by extension anti-Arsenal theme. It might seem a small thing in itself and unimportant but it builds a picture that Sky editors want to propagate and how they influence people.

allezkev
allezkev
7 months ago

Great point regarding comparison with Slot, but it came from Ratcliffe himself so it shows Rico that even business types are influenced by the media.

potter
potter
7 months ago

I’d stick them in a tent on Finsbury Park with a big screen ,
The manager comparisons are just a made up conversation piece following a marketing meeting at a failing company .
Who are the two clubs most likely to react to a story ? , which two clubs have the most volatile online sets of support ?, how can we manufacture a story to boost our ratings ?
Standard business meeting tactics.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Jack Wilshire tipped to be next Luton manager.

‘morning all.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Arsenal vs Brighton in the WSL live on BBC2 kick-off 1430 today.

Make the most of it because our Women’s Champions League games will be shown on Disney + another rip off for hard up pensioner fans. 😕

allezkev
allezkev
6 months ago

Morning Gooners, I think that Wilshere comes from that part of Beds and Herts so it’ll be like a local job, Luton are in the midst of a crisis so he’ll have a big job on his hands, I wonder if he’ll look to take a player or two from the Arsenal Academy on loan or permanently in January?

Rico, good luck with Fido…

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Owner training is the greater need, not in your case I hasten to add, Rico. 😉

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Half-time one nil to the Arsenal, Smith with a big deflection gets the goal.

Plenty of possession but not much end product.

Hope for it bit more penetration in the second half.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

All over even with 13 minutes added time we couldn’t get the second goal. Some good chances created but most were wasted.

One goal, clean sheet, three points. 🔔

As so often written at the bottom my school reports, “Could do better”.

Limey
Limey
6 months ago

I saw a discussion earlier where they said UEFA are looking at changing qualification for the World Cup/Euros so England for example would get some big games mixed in with the likes of San Marino/Gibraltar/Andorra/Albania.
A bit like the new Champions league,
makes sense,as long as they don’t have even more internationals.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

After logging on I have to refresh the page to see new comments Rico.

When I logged on just now and went to the latest comment, it was my comment at 4.36 pm. I refreshed the page and the rest of the comments appeared.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Great news that the 20 surviving hostages have been handed over to the Red Cross.

allezkev
allezkev
6 months ago

Trump has been a breath of fresh air concerning the never ending procrastination dressed up as foreign affairs. The UN have again come out of all this as a total irrelevance. I guess we’d be a lot worse without it but the UN is full of grifters.

allezkev
allezkev
6 months ago

Still the peace deal wouldn’t have happened without the input of Kier Starmer or Macron.

Cicero
Cicero
6 months ago

Well Starmer got no nearer than a nice hotel in Sharma el sheikh and Macron is too busy at home in Paris sacking and re-hiring prime ministers.

potter
potter
6 months ago

Rumour has it that Stevie Bould is to join Jack at Luton.

Limey
Limey
6 months ago

Reports say Martin Odegaard will be out until mid – November. I think that’s good news in a way. We all feared he might be out until next year.
At least this means it’s not as serious as that,even so I’m sure he won’t be rushed back.