Morning all.
Arsene Wenger:
Of course. The problem before [the north London derby] was that the clarity was if we won all our games, we had a good chance of being in the top four. Now, even winning the games doesn’t guarantee us that]. It’s not in our hands. That’s all we have to achieve.
It is a big game. Of course every big game boosts your confidence, but for us more than focusing on the fact it is Manchester United, a big club and a big rivalry over the years, what is important is to have the chance to achieve our target. We have no choice, we have to beat them.
He’s right, we simply have to beat Man Utd on Sunday if we are to have the slightest chance of getting a top four place but with away trips to Southampton and Stoke to follow, it’s going to be tough as will the final fixture of the season which is at home to Everton with a manager Arsene Wenger has never beaten. Even if we were to win our remaining matches, top four is still not guaranteed as we need City or Liverpool to drop points. Big points which is a big ask.
But I don’t think we deserve a top four place, not this season. Too many really poor performances have seen us drop far too many points whilst other teams, albeit not all firing on all cylinders have managed nick victories from draws and draws when perhaps they didn’t always deserve to. But that’s sport, digging in deep to get something, anything but sadly, that’s not often been the case with our team.
The season started well, it really did, well, after losing at home to Liverpool in a game which we had key missing but then after a draw away to Leicester, we really looked pretty good. The thumping of Chelsea was the best we’ve seen in a while and my hopes were well and truly raised. However, an injury to Santi Cazorla and the rest of the season, well you all know how it’s been played out but this seasons been worse than those before, certainly the last ten.
It’ll be strange not watching us play midweek in the Champions League but I won’t miss it. The group stages have often been entertaining, not always on a positive note but as soon as we play the first knock-out fixture, it’s clear to see how far we are behind Europes better teams. It’ll be odd too having to wait until Thursday for a European match and then a PL fixture on the following Sunday. In fact, as said many times before, I’d rather we drop down another place and be out of Europe altogether because it could really hep us, just as it did Leicester last season and Chelsea this term but with an FA Cup Final in just a few weeks time, we need victories and top notch performances to build confidence before that big match.
Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal career appears to be hanging by a thread. The protests are gathering pace and there’s another one of Sunday ahead of the late afternoon fixture. There’s a drive headed by Le Grove, probably the biggest Arsenal blog out there, to stay away from The Emirates for the Sunderland match because on that day, Stan Kroenke could be in town. If he sees a half empty stadium, maybe only then will the message hit home. Although I would imagine he knows the level of fan unrest by now.
I’d really love Arsene Wenger to win the FA Cup one more time. Hold the record and then leave in the summer with a trophy.
Then perhaps we’d say thank you and goodbye on a bit of a high…
Morning rico, we thought that after last two Cup Final victories. AW just doesn’t know when to go.
Morning Andrew.
Yes, but back then things weren’t quite as hostile as they are now and it’s only going to get worse imo as the season draws to a close…
Clutching at straws Arsene.
I’ll be at the Sunderland game. I think the fans need to make their views known in the stadium, loudly!
good post, like that
Morning Pete. I think they’ve been doing that for a while. I have never heard so much booing from the home crowd. It’s embarrassing and horrible really.
Guten tag everyone…
What started as a bright sunny day has descended into a dull, chilly one, a bit like an Arsenal league campaign.
Pete, I think either will be good. Especially if Stan is going to be there.
Will Stan be n attendance Rico?
Morning Rico
Lovely post as usual.
Santi……the turn of the season.
We lost him in October .Yes october and there was enough time to find someone of his caliber in Janwary.As usual there was this hype from the club that he was coming back which was completely false and it was clearly the usuall crap for not spending money.
A deliberate self inflicted wound.I mean anyone can see bar Santi there is no one who can hold the bold in his feet comfortably in that crap midfield
Will lesson be learn from this with Le Prof ?
Not in milion years.If he had a little bit of respect to the fans would have admitted by now.But he is not accountable to anyone so
why he should admit ?
As for demonstration organised by le groove …..hahaha …..most of their readers and followers are plastic fans .Internet warriors.Not much faith in it if you ask me.
As per the game expected highly to loose.
Did le Prof beat any time Moanino team ?
Yeah that silly cup game.Otherwise in every meaningfull game never ever beat him .That in itself is enough.
Moaner has Eur Cap as his route to top 4.Drawing Sunday against Arsenal is beneficiall equallly as is putting a nail in the coffing for the grand top 4 rival.
The Moaner is just a wisker away from injury to completely shut his season.
Any yes any manager who got that batch to manage a team with this bunch of players we got would have won it in an ugly way.His very vulnerablity is evident to anyone who just happen to watch football let alone an elite manager.The minute he sense his key players are been attacked hard would withdraw them .
Will Le Prof or his pets think about this ?No way.
Le prof will go all out attack and same all same we will loose on counter attack.
Hopefully it will be the last season for the Le prof but the American surely has other ideas.
Adam, I did read that Stan visits once a month for business, not necessarily Arsenal, and takes in a home game, not sure if he’s ever been to an away fixture other than Wembley.
Maybe Stan will be discussing subjects such as Director of Football and new managerial appointments?
Hi Adam. there’s been occasional booing. The main feeling is apathy. There still is a vociferous, but shrinking, support of Wenger. This has manifested itself in fisticuffs inside the stadium between the IN/OUT fans. Now that really is embarassing.
Arsenal fans have always been a booing bunch, nothing wrong with that. Time to rmp up the pressure on M Wenger to try to convince him to sling his hook.
Pedro thinks he might be Adam.
Hi Alex. Not sure I agree re Lg, if you read, a lot are ST holders on there but like here and many other places, there are a few who aren’t too…
LG is full of negativity….they dont bring anything meanfull on the table.Constant changing from their blogger .That Pedro of le grrove is more attention seeker for himself than anything else.
Two succesive wins and their comment section shrunks .Most of their followers are just negative.
Harsh…
Afternoon Rico and All
As I said Sun/Mon…The fans I was with mainly locals
were very angry after the spuds game.
Arsenes magic hat was in the gutter by a drain.
No one can say Arsene is not in-love with The Arsenal
we all know he is….But
Love is blind..
He has for long time spoke about other teams
going through bad patches.
Unfortunately for Arsene, it has clearly reached the point where there is so much noise and pent‑up frustration surrounding Arsenal that many supporters are willing to take the risk.
The natives are restless.
Now then Billy old chap, I feel I have to correct you on two points you made on yesterday’s comments. If as you claim you were at the League Cup final against Swindon Town then you should also remember that it took place in March of 1969 not ’68! A few others on this site were there that day including myself. I was extremely unhapp. I had to do a 250 mile round trip on a bus full of northerners, in the main, who took the piss unmercifully all the way back to the Midlands and the college I was at at the time.
Secondly, you will have to explain to me what reference you were making concerning the content of Animal Farm. Was it “two legs good, four legs bad”? Or perhaps the four legged sheep running around following the every word of the pigs who had by that stage adopted waistcoats and enjoyed an odd cigar and fine Port? – sounds a bit like the Arsenal Boardroom!
If you are going to slag us all off at least have the decency Y to a, get your facts right and b, treat us to your erudition with some sense of connection and relevance. Your rants are little better than offensive and pretty much out of touch with the realities of our football club.
Afternoon Fred and all…
Very restless I’d say Fred.
Wavy, I think Bill just comes on here for a wind up…
Nighty…
If we are all honest, we would admit that this blog is biased against le prof.
I have been taken to task a few times because I’m not biased enough, by one or two posters, but mainly I’m ignored.
I can see why Bill would feel defensive, as not only does no-one agree with his views, but he is slated for even having them.
Everyone on here has one thing in common, we all love Arsenal and can’t bear to see what’s happening this season. We just feel differently as to how the problems should be addressed.
We should all empathise with Bill, or anyone who finds their way onto this forum, and at least try to see his point.
I can see it, even though I now reluctantly accept that Arsene has outstayed his time as manager, and should move on. There comes a time that players just get bored and can’t be motivated listening to the same person, say the same things, day in day out. Players need a new stimulus to keep them awake. And a kick up the arse.
Fergie just about left with his reputation intact at Manure, but he could see the writing on the wall, because though they won the league in his last year, it was more luck than judgement.
Moyes inherited a poor, ageing team. Fergie got out just at the right time.
The same will happen to our next manager, if Le Prof goes now.
My main worry is that this board and owners, don’t know their arse from their elbow re footballing matters. They will need advice as to who to go for.
I just hope he can leave with some dignity intact, and is still involved in some way, perhaps as an ambassador for the club. We may not want him involved with team matters, but he is highly respected here and abroad, and would be good for the club, IMO.
Meanwhile, let’s all just hope the team can give a good account of themselves against manure, for the fans and for their own self respect.
Grab your coat Bill….you’ve pulled and you can take the French surrender monkey with you as well !
C’est la vie! C’est la guerre!
It’s people like you who stop others from voicing their opinions.
So much for the ‘It’s ok to disagree’ tag at the top of this forum. It couldn’t be further from the truth.
Still at least Totts lost to the hammers, so some good news.
St. Totteringham’s Day 5 May 2017.
Meerkat
I disagree, & it’s ok.
…… but without trying to ‘blow bubbles’ up your Arse, I agree with your comments re the double winners of ’61?
Meerkat
Apart from the fact that it’s too late now to to anoint a new manager, why should the current manager stay on until he wishes to go?
Because Fergie did I suppose at manure.
I don’t agree with it, and this should have been dealt with possibly as much as eight years ago IMO, when it was clear to me, that Arsene was on the wrong track, trying to turn the team into a Barca ‘light’, when they had none of the talent to go with it. He wanted to model his team on them and it never worked. Since then apart from the FA cup, it’s been pretty stagnant and in need of change.
But you can’t blame him, for not being sacked, we would all stay put if we could. That is down to the board and owners. He has just tried and failed over the last few seasons, and I wish he would just resign, but he won’t, unless we get stuffed by Chelski in the final.
Every cloud……
I meant to add though, that Wenger’s wages are a disgrace given his record over the last thirteen years; he has spent more net on players (£206m) than even Chelsea (£187m) have, in the last five seasons; Spuds have spent £1m net in that time.
Walcott must pinch himself every day to see if it’s real, that he earns over £100, 000 every week, yet rarely plays.
Amazing figures, and yet we end up with eleven headless chickens running around against the Spuds last week. Well, ten actually, because for a nice change, Cech saved the day from being total capitulation.The Goonettes looked like a schoolboy team.
Le Prof’s selection was bizarre – Ramsey as a holding mid? Ozil, now the passenger, and has been thus for some time now, (even with his mid season break for a month) is never dropped. Giroud has done nothing for several games, although tbf, he only gets scraps.
I hate to say it, but Arsenal are on a long-term slide now, IMO, and whoever comes in to pick up the pieces, will have a real job on their hands trying to salvage something.
Sanchez is a bad apple and is making the dressingroom miserable, yet he was terrible himself the other day, so needs to be sold to BM for as much as we can get for him. They will cut him down to size.
No-one will want Ozil for decent money.
I have to say I don,t think it,s a biased site at all, I don,t think there should be any apologies for the fact that most bloggers on this site just think Wenger is finished, the fact that the Wenger apologists are now in the minority it seems to me that they are finding it more and more difficult to accept that Wenger,s tenure is coming to an end, the fear of Change and the unknown irritates them for some reason,
it is they who goad and revert to websites that have a different opinion to theirs to berate, blame and insult people and then prejudice themselves by the use of words like Fachists, fachism, Hatred, etc.
bill and Meerkat you admit it yourselfs in your post that you have reservations or concerns or think he,s outstayed his welcome, so I don,t get the “o woe is me” bit.
Let.s keep it real for almost a decade we were told that we were “building towards something” and patience was going to be needed, and well, we’re supposed to be at that “something” now. And it doesn’t look all that different or better, in fact we have declined. A.W has had he,s chance, he,s had more than enough time to make this club the best it can be and failed. , We,ve become the biggest laughing stock in world football for the last decade.
Bill you say this site is broken, that’s your opinion fair enough, but majority on here think the Arsenal project is broken, why not come together and embrace change, does the idea of a new challenge, new direction, new guidance a new dynamic structure really frighten people that much
Sure A.W has been a big part of our lives for years, we will never forget what he has done for the club, but the fact is, in a recent poll, 78% want him to go before he damages his reputation anymore, retire gracefully!!
I,m just a bit surprised people saying it is a biased site, that they,ve been called to task on here, iv,e always thought people on have been fairly treated and their opinions are relevant and appreciated whether they agree or not, I think this site has got a bad rap in the past couple of days.
I started contributing to this blog some 7 years ago. In that time I have seen views change, opinions harden, Wenger support diminish, criticism of the owners/board escalate, the whole mood of the blog has changed from one of optimism to a general feeling of disenchantment.
Now that change isn’t an accident, it has happened because of the way the club has been managed/ mismanaged/allowed to drift.
If there are people out there who choose not to see that, then there is very little anyone on here can say to persuade them otherwise and frankly if you cannot see the problems by now, then it isn’t worth anyone on here bothering.
In a nutshell, it hasn’t always been on here as it is now, so to judge it so is, imo, shortsighted.
But what I am sure of is that those of us on here, who want change, will not be convinced by any pro-Wengerites who join in now and try to inform us of how misguided we are and that Arsene knows or be careful what you wish for – mish, or remember what happened to Man Utd – yawn.
It won’t wash, not anymore.
Morning all.
I find it quite funny really that anyone would suggest HH is a biased site because it’s not. Yes, my opinion is that Arsene Wenger should leave, should have left before now and the board should have sacked him or at least not offered him a new contract when they did three years ago. But as I’ve said before, three years ago when they did after our first FA Cup for a while, I can recall me typing that I was glad he was staying put. Biased? No.
The difference is, I’ve woken up since then and realised just how bad things have become under his management. The football, transfers, arrogance, smugness, the way he treats us fans with disrespect, his feeble comments when questioned by the press, his excuses for bad performances… the list is so long now.
So, accuse me of what you like Meerkat, Bill etc etc, I really don’t care because all I care about is the future of our club and imo, that won’t be good if Arsene Wenger stays past this summer.
Finally, if anyone doesn’t like this Arsenal blog, no-one is twisting your arm to come on here. There are many other Arsenal websites which remain staunch Wenger fans, so maybe they are more suited to you.
Either that or instead of being abusive, why not offer good reasons for why you think Wenger should stay?
Abuse and insults are really cheap!
I don’t agree that this site is broken at all. Those that have, over the years, been gently shown the door here have left, not because of their opinions, but because of their arrogant unpleasantness and abusive nature. Many of them must scour the internet looking to be offended and they will always find something or someone to set them off – presumably to satisfy that warped craving.
What you will seldom read is a plausible, reasoned and sensible argument for Wenger’s continued tenure. I only know this because I have asked his remaining supporters who drop in and out, to provide one. None have. It’s always about what he has done for the club over a decade ago, something that everybody acknowledges. It is often about a genuine affection that fans feel for him. Again, that is understood and respected. We all feel those things and it has become the classic Arsenal conundrum. But it is seldom about the facts and this habit Arsenal have picked up of collapsing at critical stages of the season and bottling critical games. Year in, year out. It’s because, given the club’s decent financial position, the stadium etc we are seriously underperforming and there must be a degree of accountability for that surely. Or perhaps his supporters don’t believe that he is underachieving, regardless of just about anything. You have to admit that it is a point of view whether or not it carries any substance.
There is nothing unusual or unique about Arsene’s current position. The team’s performances say that the club needs a change of direction. Whether you agree with that or not, abuse is not the way to make a point, especially on HH. It diminishes the comment and the person making it and will always raise a response.
We can all debate, secure in the knowledge that the decisions we advocate are going to be made by other people and not us. But the best days on HH have always been when these debates are made in a civilised and respectful way with a bit of humour thrown in and not the ‘trolling’ cliches that are spiteful, ignorant and designed to cause unrest.
Then again, abuse is easy. Clarity is harder to express.
Thank you Adam, Kev and Dublin.
I really don’t understand what anyone would get out of going on to any website to purely throw insults. Especially those who are older and should be more wise. I know in the holidays a few kids get on the internet for what they believe is fun but when grown up adults find it acceptable to abuse other peoples views just because they think they can, shows it’s a sad world.
Morning Adam, did you see the rumours about Mbappe going to Real in the summer?
I did Rico. It makes sense to me. They bought a young Karim Benzema for £30 million (when that was a lot of money) years ago and I see M’Bappe in a similar way. Real Madrid see it as their duty to the fans to buy the World’s best players.
Still, it might mean we get Benzema after years of rumours.
Just kidding. 🙂
🙂 Adam.
Higuain was on fire the other night..
Yes, I saw that Rico. Their movement was great and that ball from the truly ghastly Dani Alves was incredible. RM have the flair and are a great team while Juventus combine quality with a defensive nous and cynicism that I would love to see at Arsenal. Both Allegri and Zidane are great managers leading great teams.
Watching Juve was just like watching Arsenal Adam..
About 18 years ago…. 😉
Actually Rico, I have rather enjoyed the knock-out stages of the CL this year. The quality has been high I think and being emotionally detached has helped.
If only we could compete at that level.
Why can’t we?
It’s a relevant question surely.
I’ve not watched much Adam, just the Juve match, or much of it and it was a really good game I thought.
With all the resources Arsenal have, we really should be somewhere very close to that level and I think we could be, if……
WAVY. you are quite right and I stand corrected, it was leeds I think in 68. I was wrong, and I have no qualms about having been wrong about things before however I think you missed the point on animal farm, as it was about no different opinions being tolerated. so now I’m a sheep, and the theme of this site continues. the seemingly unconscious denegration of anyone who doesn’t hold the same opinion is breathtaking. what happened to MY COLLEAGUE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION TO ME AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT I WILL DEFEND HIS RIGHT TOTALLY TO HAVE HIS OWN OPINION AND RESPECT THAT. as I said before, I enjoy banter, and if you said to me how can you defend A W ? what drugs are you on, I would laugh. COYG .
You know what Bill. I’m tired of all you represent. Goodbye!
Morning All
Morning Rico and Adam.
There’s nothing as strange as folk.
Morning Kev. I know. Beggars belief eh.
From what I understand, Giroud and Benzema cannot operate together and have not been successful as a pair for France.
Therefore if Wenger signs Benzema I would imagine that that would be to replace Giroud, not play alongside him.
Benzema? no thanks lol
Benzema? I think it’s too late.
Let’s invite our Wenger supporting posters to actually write a thesis on why he is the right person to stay and lead us. This would at least give us a chance to debate on their terms. Most of the regular posters here have slowly but surely found themselves on the Wenger out side of the argument but in my mind , but then I am a stubborn old coot that can take a few insults and hand them back, it would not worry me to be on the other side of a debating fence,.a series of bullet points would be enough, lets hear them and then debate them . I am sure that the common ground would not be so difficult to find. From my perspective I don’t disrespect Wenger , I still bristle when I see members of the media attacking him in an unfair way. Every attack on him is still an attack on my club. There are always ways to make an argument without dropping into the gutter and really a forum like this is no different to your local pub , you have different people with different ideas and even after a few pints it doesn’t have to end in fisticuffs.
Football wise we have missed so many buses, Benzema , Higuain , Lacazette, Kante , Mata just to name a few . The list of our near misses seems to be endless and there must be a reason for this. It was interesting to read this morning that Ozil is no longer willing to negotiate with Dick Law ,who was responsible for the Joel Campbell fiasco which he spent so long on in the Caribbean whilst Juan Mata’s release clause ran out and his price doubled. Could this be a clue.
Potter. The idea is good but if they can’t even comment on their reasons why, a post about it would be impossible…
I read that too, Josh is now involved in Ozil’s contract talks allegedly…
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Law gone in the summer…
Hi Rico and HH.
Great comments by DublinGunner, Kev and Adam, with some additional quality thrown in from Wavy and Potter, and of course, from the lady of the House too.
Thanks for the response, Bill, though you didn’t really address the issues, you merely tried to defend your antagonism towards other bloggers.
For your age, and the length of time you’ve supported The Arsenal, your loyalty is applauded, but people of your generation are associated with good manners and having a set of moral values rarely seen today. To arrive here with an opening salvo that is both aggressive and derogatory to the people who give us a forum for debate is bad form, Bill.
It is extremely short-sighted too.
There is only one person responsible for our great club’s malaise, so rather than picking fights with fellow Arsenal fans, why not concentrate your energy into working out the best way forward and how the club can be a major force again Post Wenger.
Hi Herb.
Well said. I find it quite difficult to believe Bill is 62 years old as his attitude and comments to others resemble a person not long out of school, or perhaps still in school…
Odd stuff really.
Afternoon all.
DG, Rico et al. Whilst I expected some backlash, I am shocked to be accused of being abusive or insulting. Can anyone point out, or quote me on those insults please.
I am not ‘woe is me’, if you read my posts properly you will see that, but I still maintain there is bias against anyone, i.e Bill, who doesn’t slate Wenger.
9/10 posters here are very anti-Wenger, that is all I said really, that is not abusing or insulting, it’s how it is. They are entitled to be, but it must shock a newbie on here.
I am NOT a WKB, I am for change in ownership and management, but I don’t loathe/detest Le Prof, not at all. I would feel sorry for him if it weren’t for his stubbornness and disgraceful salary.
Again though, you can’t blame him for what Stan Kroenke pay’s him, and no-one would turn it down, especially if your boss gives you a pat on the back every season for doing well!!
If the owners are happy with the business side, they don’t see a problem with his management.
If anyone feels that I personally abused them, or was offensive, then I apologize, I was only saying what I thought, and didn’t personalise my comments at all, just generalised IMO.
I don’t suppose for a moment anyone gives a shit for my comments, so perhaps I had better bow out as suggested. Shame really, but there you go.
Hi Meerkat.
The abuse comment wasn’t referring to you and sorry if you thought it was. It was relating to Bill and his awful comments yesterday and today…
And yes, I do give a s**t….
City 2 up.
Did anyone think in Wolfsburg manager? Maybe a good option for replace AW
Hi Meerkat
Who’s he Jm?
Ha ha, just realised, it’s Jonker….
I would say that most posters here are more pro-Arsenal than anti-Wenger. We all want to see Arsenal fulfil their potential and compete at the highest levels of European football. Debate can be stimulating but there needs to be a level of respect and give and take. If you like Wenger and think he is the man to take club forward then just say why and keep the personal abuse to yourself. Some, unfortunately fail on both these counts. Coming on for the first time with a swathe of abuse for the site owner and the regulars who comment is bad enough but to then blame them for the very same unpleasantness that you have just dished out is never going to work.
Meerkat. I agree with Rico. None of this was aimed your way. You and I might not agree where the increasingly divisive Arsene is concerned but I still find your comments interesting and hope you continue to post them here.
Morning All:
To Bill and Meerkat, for the lack of a better word am a sports fanatic, name the sports and I have attended or watched. I never had the need to comment on any site/ blog except HH and this came after visiting daily for 5 yrs. I have appreciate the divergence of opinion here, the historic perspectives and insights.
I believe both of your assessments are wrong. It’s not a matter of having a different opinion but rather being able to support it. I have on several occasions disagreed with many posters here and no one had the need to call me an idiot because the opinion was supported by objective facts. I have been AW supporter, however when AW himself can not give us one objective reason for him to stay and given his dismal decisions especially in the last 4 years; I think any intelligent, objective, rational football person will want him to go, especially if that individual is an Arsenal fan. Again emphasis on objective.
Please look at the man’s record, selections, in game management, etc. and try to justify the reason for him staying. And please don’t give me the, “be careful of what you wish for”, ” he has earned the right to stay as long as he wants” and “he’s the only manager I have known” because that’s indeed idiotic.
Sorry pressed the wrong button. D’oh!!!
Hi Meerkat,
I hope you didn’t think I was trying to bully you verbally or rail-road you in any way when I asked you about Wenger.
I don’t think the HH mantra has changed, it’s okay to disagree, but your arguments have to stand on solid foundations. Everyone can put an opinion forward, but must then substantiate that opinion with good reasoning.
The fact that there’s so much boredom and inertia around the fan-base, and that approximately 80% of Arsenal fans squarely lay the blame at Wenger’s door, suggests that while damaging schisms still exist within our supporters, the penny has dropped and eyes have been opened, and the consensus is that Arsene Wenger isn’t good enough.
You’re right to point out none of us would turn it down and it’s not Wenger’s fault that Stan thinks he’s doing a great job, but what’s missing here is some honest self-appraisal, and a total lack of respect for the club’s loyal fans.
It is no coincidence that Arsenal’s season has collapsed in an almost identical pattern since 2007/08, save a CL semi-final in 2009 where we were patently way out of our depth, and a couple of FA Cup’s that has been severely downgraded since the CL changed its format.
I sincerely believe that Arsenal saved Wenger from football obscurity. Had it not been for our frivolous over-generosity, few Arsenal fans would have ever heard of Arsene Wenger.
Most of his early success is reliant on structures already put in place by previous managers, including the 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 that he has distanced himself from since moving stadiums.
But he’s not classy or humble enough to ever admit that, in fact he’s never had a close relationship with the fans, he’s tetchy and aloof, pointing accusing fingers at them rather than embrace them in the bigger picture, as part of The Arsenal family.
You can only get away with that aloof snobbery if you’re winning big.
When you’re 13 years into a title drought and being cut adrift from your rivals with the vast resources Arsenal have, it’s time to communicate with fans and show bucket-loads of remorse and humility, admit failure and let everyone move on.
I’d be gob-smacked if any big ambitious club would want Wenger managing their club.
Herb, good comments, I always think you try to be constructive.
I’ve known you, known of you, for many years and in many guises, but your theme has been a constant one and you have wanted change for as long as I can recall and unlike Bill, you always give intelligent reasons why, despite swimming against the tide as was the case mostly on AA…
Morning Rico and All
I cottoned on to Arsene about 3 years ago
long after my mates..So stuck up for him.
I couldn’t see it at the time my mates did.
But I know why…Blindness..Give him another season
I argued,to the point not wanting to talk to them.
Its a shame Arsene has committed ArryCarry if only
he listened to his mates or even the fans we could have avoided this
mess.
Call me a rebel..But I never listen to The Old Bill.
Hi Herb, LOL. Thanks for making it all seem normal mate;-)
Thanks rico and Adam for your posts. I don’t feel so paranoid now, haha.
Is not Wolfsburg but Hofenheim.
rico, I think he has 29 years old, but the secret in Hofenheim is: a) Probably, they will finish 3th b) They have 8 or 9 players in Germany sub-19 c) The introduction of innovative training methods that allow all your players from training, improve pass qualities, shooting, etc., based on advanced software systems. They are linked to SAP (the president (?) was a ex-player of Hofenheim)
d) Sure, he will not be very expensive and could be the revolution/inovation we need.
I am in this blog because it represents what I love about Arsenal. The reason Bill received the responses he did is because he called HH out. This site is not biased but instead let’s everyone have an opinion. But the accusations mean we must defend ourselves and trust me we respect Wenger the man and as a manager we admire what he did in the past. Right now he is a knob for surr
Afternoon Fred, all.
Fred, I’m pretty similar to you as it took me a while to catch up re Wenger. Got there in the end though…
Meerkat, good, no need to be paranoid on here… 😉
Jm, that makes more sense now. Hoffenheim..
Thanks Mabo.
Hi Herb, sorry for the moderation again, nipped out to walk the hound. Thanks for your support, and you Obi…
Seems there’s always an odd one who likes to rock the boat andin Bills case, he really was odd…
Some really odd results this afternoon. Hull lost at home to Sunderland…. who’d have thought eh…
Rico you re just too nice thats all i can say. I was kicked off ACLF and untold had a 3 day back to back vitriol filled abusive session with rectum spectrum on legrove.(mind you i was a wenger in then..damn i can taste the bile in my mouth.) I remember seeing kev and maybe lee on legrove. That was 7 or 8 years ago. You started HH just as i was hurled off untold. I found a home here. Stayed ever since and anyone who thinks this is a biased blog must really be eating some rotten mushrooms. Like AK said we ve all gone from loyalist wenger supporters to vehemently wenger out pricks(me anyway???). Now i have arsenal apathy. Fuck wenger and all he stands for and thats including his fans.
I am too nice Goonster, I’ve put up with you haven’t I? ?
Evening all………even you Bill ! 🙂
If I were in charge I`d let all Hell break loose !…………..do what you want, say what you want……anything !……………….lucky then we have Rico to keep the peace ! hahaha
Disappointed with most the comments as there hasn`t been much talk about Spuds choking on Bubbles last night !……………….yes, I know, were not that great, but it`s in my DNA to offer sacrifices to the God of St Totteringham for any crumbs of Spud woe !………in the end I had to go on facebook and read all my young Hammer nephew`s abuse of the Spuds !…………not as much as I hate the Spuds, but them Hammer fans dont much like Spudingham either !
I too was pro-Wenger until probably 3-4 years ago, but kept asking questions and now I just want him gone. I wont abuse him ( only in humour) as I dont think he deserves it, but that doesn`t stop me laughing and being entertained by Lee and Goonsters abuse of him ! hahaha
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Lol rico you know you love the goonster??? can’t do without him.
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Hi Stan, how’s Brianna, she must be, what, about 3 or 4 y.o. now?
Man, I lose track of time, anyway, it’s typical isn’t it, Sunderland get relegated then win their next game. Mental strength eh…
Is that Bill then?
Hey Cocker, do you think that was Ed..?
Howdy AK how are you doing??? Bri is fine. Growing like weeds. Cant keep up kev. She needs new clothes every few months. God help me. What have i gotten myself into??
Adamski ?
Adamant
Goonster
How are you slugger?? And mrs A??? Still giving her a hard time aren’t you???
Stan. As Kev and Rico will attest, she’s a powerful woman. 🙂
Stan, ? it’s great, she’ll look after you when your as old as me…
I’m good thanks ?
Mrs A is not a woman to be messed with Stan, I hold her in the highest of regard.
Ak its frightening. Don’t think i want another. Am good with just her. Kids are exhausting.
Lc, sometimes I feel like letting everyone crack on with things… 😉
Adam ?????
Hahaha Adam………………………….Yes, I thought straight away that it was the Spud equivalent of Bill !
Ha ha, some days Goonster…
So rico whats new in the Arsenal world?? Still dont think leprick ll sign the contract?? Well news flash he has. Just waiting to announce. Like i said are stuck with him until we get really violent. A few wenger out placards won’t phase him. That turd has got a thick skin. We need a few fans to take the fall. Go to jail yes but in the end for the greater good of arsenal. They ll be legends. Pepper the prick with water balloons. Hound him at restaurants training ground etc. Trust me he ll resign the next day.
Who`s Ed ? 🙂
You take the fall Goonster !…………………………. a blond Adonis will earn a fortune in Jail !………………..and as much shower gel as you want ! hahaha
LC i will if i can get a visa to the UK. For some reason the foreign office won’t issue me a visa???if i dont know any better i ll think rico has something to do with it.
Goonster, I couldn’t and wouldn’t condone such behaviour towards Wenger. I know we want him out but he doesn’t deserve that…
See what i mean rico….you re too nice.
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Wasn’t Ed the talking horse?
Night guys…
Mourinho has called 3 youngsters into his squad, making it 4 in total as there was a reserve in his last squad…
What does this all mean?
Well it means nothing because he’ll still have a strong starting XI and a strong squad…
And he might have 2 or even 3 youngsters on the bench – big deal…
Meerkat, sorry i.m only getting back to reading the comments now, I can only echo what has been said on here earlier, In no way was I accusing you on being abusive, I just mentioned your name because, as I said last night , I was just a bit surprised that a regular blogger called it a biased site, I do apologise if any offence has been taking, I,m sure your comments are very much acknowledged and respected as much as any on here, Peace my man…
Morning all,
Unfortunately we’re in Europa no matter where we finish unless we get 4th and that still disappears if United win Europa.
I don’t mind Thursday nights, those games for me is catching a glimpse while I flick channels, now I’ll take some interest.
I personally don’t think we’ll win many of our last 5 games and Rooney will probably score against us today with a blatant diving penalty. History seems to repeat so often with us.
Morning Bradster and all.
I dread Thursday/Sunday…
New post up now.
Hi Kev.
Haha, you’re right, some people on AA did make me boil with rage at times. If it wasn’t the condescending tone it was accountants throwing numbers around to prove how right(eous) they all were and how wrong I was, Wenger walks on water, and turns that water to wine etc. It does take a special kind of talent to neuter a major football club in the manner that he has accomplished it though, so perhaps they had a point.
On your point about being constructive, we have to voice our opinion with conviction or the argument is lost. Who among us hasn’t been a huge Wenger fan in his early years? Who didn’t love him after the historic ‘Invincibles’, and who of us hasn’t backed his corner against Fergie and Mourinho? But he treats Arsenal fans with complete indifference and feels no obligation to acknowledge or reward our loyalty. He is as close to being a King as is possible without actually being bestowed with the official title.
The trouble with this Wenger In/Out debate is that it got vitriolic and nasty, and people are using extreme measures in what seems like a constant merry-go-round of one-up-man-ship.
As with every other Arsenal fan, all we can do is share our passionate support through excellent forums like these.
The 2009 CL semi-final second leg at The Emirates against United raised my first concerns. But three years into a stadium move, a CL semi-final, at the time it felt like some sort of progress, so I let it go thinking surely it was an invaluable learning experience…
The 8-2 is unforgivable.
I’m sorry in advance to anyone with any affiliation to these players, but as if the defeat wasn’t painfully humiliating enough, his reaction was to completely under-sell our status by going on a last-minute trolley-dash to spend good money on players who had all seen better days.
That isn’t The Arsenal’s standard, that is insulting in every sense.
However, much deeper than this, he has lied to and misled Arsenal fans with any number of players we could mention, some who wouldn’t be given a Boreham Wood shirt, and he has either lied about his willingness to challenge for major trophies (PL, CL), or he is woefully out of his depth, and doesn’t have the required level of football intelligence.
Arsenal have given him a far greater status than he deserves, and one he never would have had were it not for his friendship with David Dein.
In spite of all this, I genuinely believe the fan-base would be a lot more at peace if Wenger showed some humility and remorse, and accepted ownership of his failings. People get angry because they see through his worn out excuses, which contributes to even more angst amongst the divided fans. Fans would embrace those failings with him instead of feeling disconnected and disenfranchised. Their critique of him would be far less harsh, and their anger would instead turn into sympathy.
He knows he has nothing left to offer at the top level, this is purely ego driving him to equal or better Fergie’s length of time at United. He must be stopped if only because he doesn’t reflect our values, and this should be about Arsenal’s future not his. With the amount of money he has amassed from our club he should embrace retirement and invent himself a bucket-list that doesn’t include anything Arsenal.
I’d be amazed if they didn’t have a member of staff reading certain Arsenal blogs to get a sense of the mood emanating from the supporters, given the size of Arsenal as an operation.
You’re an intelligent man, Kev, and what you don’t know about The Arsenal isn’t worth knowing, so it must make you angry to see how easy it is for a couple of egotistical megalomaniacs to dismantle our club.