Well how awful was that last night…..
When I saw the team I thought ok doesn’t look to bad at all, I didn’t realise they were going to pay as if they had just been picked from a local pub league. We looked like we have never played together before.
We as usual missed lots of chances and I am not even going to go into that as we seem to discuss that after almost every game lately.
We played ok for the first 15/20 mins without anything to show for it and then we concede a freakish goal… Was it offside, was it unlucky, was it poor tracking back… maybe a touch of all three but from then on we just fell apart… yes we created chances still but we were all over the place.
Giroud was getting frustrated and in all honesty acting like a big girls blouse… Yes the ref was pedantic and looked like he wasn’t even old enough to shave but whats the point in acting like a spoilt kid and encouraging the ref to act like even more of a twit…? Where were the players on the park to tell Giroud to wind his neck in..? Where is this so called mental strength and spirit when we go one nil down to a team that were lets be honest nothing more than very average. What did our manager do to get Giroud to shut up and focus..? Man management… zero.
We can moan all we want about the merits of the sending off but we could all see what the ref was like so why play into his hands…? Seems Giroud is so sensitive that since TH said he wasn’t world class he has been sulking ever since and really isn’t playing well at all, his head is in the wrong place and so is hit attitude. I like Giroud if i am honest he gets a lot of stick and some is warranted but he isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be. No he isn’t world class but he’s a good striker when his head is right and he is a handful. We can’t expect him to be something he not but we can expect him to be good and what he is good at and at the moment he isn’t even good at that. Who is to blame…?
We have players that don’t play well together we had our only real ball winner and engine room player sitting on the bench, When Coq doesn’t play we are left with Arteta who is a superb technical player but whose legs have just gone…. He will no doubt get a lot of stick for being rubbish and crap etc etc but it’s not his fault being asked to do a job his body just cannot cope with… who to blame….?
I look at a side that was one down and had a player sent off and when they trudged off for half time the heads were down the attitude stunk the palce out….! No fight, no guts, no players up for it to drag out a result…. who to blame….?
We lack composure, we lacked the fight to scrape a draw and I think we looked complacent yet again against a team who were supposed to be cannon fodder…! again…. who to blame….?
I am sick and tired of Wengers excuses, we had an awful transfer window, we all know that despite him telling us otherwise, we all know the rubbish about no players available was a crock of tripe as well.
We now have the excuse that the other team were very committed…………. Ermmm isn’t is a competitive sport…? isn’t that what the other side are supposed to be..? committed to try and beat us…? What planet is Wenger on….? If it’s not the ref or the linesman it’s we were unlucky or that the other team surprised us with their commitment. Really………? After all your years as manager and all your thousands of games in charge this comes as a surprise to you does it Arsene…?
The blame rests squarely on your shoulders Mr Wenger, you are responsible for the team you pick, you are responsible for sending them out onto the pitch with a game plan and instructions, you are responsible for training and coaching these players and you’re also responsible for having to change things during a game when you see things are not working or going to plan but your to stubborn to do that.
Enough of the excuses…… take responsibility for your actions and sort this rabble out because they are better than this and yet again the fans suffer having to watch a side roll over and die cos we went a goal down and took the opposition lightly.
We are a team without leaders and fighters, play a balanced side and stop sticking to your favourites in case someone gets upset, your lack of transfers as appalling as it was is going to be highlighted even more i suspect the next few weeks and months whats your excuse going to be then……?
I bet the chavs can’t wait for Saturday.
Morning………….
Morning Wath.
Nice post.
Straight to the point.
Blame Stan Hahahahahahahaha
We lost a game…
Pretty obvious that one Phil…….
It’s the manner in which we lost as well though and many others before it in exactly thew same fashion..!
At this point in time Scott I’d be sending Stan and Arsene on a one way tkt to Mars….!
Wenger and Stan are the clogs to the wheel of Arsenal progress, Arsenal will only move forward or take her rightful place in the committee of BIG clubs in Europe when one or both are shown the exit door
The other side were more committed lol!wenger is the only one who should be COMMITED!for that statement alone.is the opposition that we face just expected to lay down & die?unbelievable!still,,let’s see what his disciples forgive this time.dodgy ref?
It’s easy to treat a loss in the context of every other loss we’ve suffered, but sometimes it’s best to look at a game in isolation. Were we playing well before Giroud got himself sent off? No. Was it likely to be one of those games we maybe didn’t play well but won had he not got himself sent off? Yes.
Many times I’ve seen a loss as part of a wider problem, particularly with Wenger, however I do think last night was just a loss pure and simple. Isn’t the first, won’t be the last, and doesn’t really need an inquest.
Well Phil I don’t see it like that at all but we all have our own opinions on the why’s and where for’s…!
Just a loss but the manner was ok with you..! We must of watched a different game then.
Phil, Arsene has left himself open to criticism by his inaction in the TW.
By NOT buying, the assumption is he believes we had a strong enough squad.
This game proved he was wrong, IMO.
If he’d bought another player or two, I doubt people would be so worked up about the game.
Absolutely Wath.
To clarify, I am never OK with a loss, nor it’s manner. There is something in common with near every loss we suffer… We don’t play well. A team of our quality should win almost every game if we play well. All I’m saying is sometimes a loss is systematic of a huge problem, sometimes it’s just a case of a bad game. It doesn’t make it OK, but let’s be realistic it has happened before and will happen again. We don’t need to make a huge drama out of it every time.
Good day all,
This is what we foresaw some of us during the transfer window, we were called names labelled” Anti Wenger”. We were told to have faith in this man. And even Wenger himself imposed on us to get behind the team, which we did and are still doing.
But now what do we call this? Is this not the same thing that we meant when we were calling for re- enforcement of the team. Did we not tell everyone that Wenger’s love child, Olivier is useless? Did we not say that Arteta is now old?
We also said Wenger is old?
Wath, don’t blame neither players nor Wenger, that’s the best they can be considering the manager we have and hence the standard of play.
Wenger is never under pressure and I therefore doubt if players can be under pressure to perform.
The solution, Exit Wenger enter new Manager. We shouldn’t fear the unknown. In one way or another….Wenger will either retire voluntarily or die at some point so he won’t be there forever.
We should not be afraid of taking risks because such might bring us great pain or joy….I suggest Wenger should leave and we will get someone….to lead us….may be with a little more ambition
The now foolish Wenger will not take us anywhere, forget. The man has his own audience in the his bedroom where he sees Giroud scoring 50 goals in one season. He has his own log table were Arsenal Has continued to win the league, Perhaps he needs some mental scrutiny. Its is very difficult to tell his mental strength he talks about.
Afternoon All…
You saw it coming yesterday, Wath…I didn’t.
Truth is…it is becoming increasingly choking to continue defending Wenger’s actions.
The team he put out there should have comfortably won the match. They didn’t and OG’s sending off compounded things.
So, why did Wenger wait till second goal to start ringing changes?
With Giroud off, and playing 10 against 11, I would have removed one player that lacks the fight to play one man short and a goal down on away ground, – Ozil. Walcott should have come in for Ozil straight from dressing room after half time as well as Coquelin taking the place of Arteta also from dressing room.. Sanchez and Chamberlain would have been instructed to work extra hard in midfield and attack. While Coq covers the extra burden of Ozil’s absence…
But typically, Wenger didn’t do what was required!
I ain’t making a drama Phil I am merely pointing out the obvious and I think last night most definitely is a pointer to whats wrong in general and it wasn’t just another loss at all it highlighted for me yet again whats wrong with the team and the manager and staff and the way we are set up run etc etc etc… It’s not an over night moan as you would know if you have read HH before and it’s not me having a tantrum unlike others on the net who do that regularly. I been around long enough to have seen when we were shit but this lot and the way the manager is not drives me to despair and in all honesty with what we pay and what we are changed and the way we are lied to and thought of as mere punters who ain’t got a clue is really starting to highly piss me off.
Yes Wat, it was all Wenger’s fault. 30 odd years as a manager and he knows it all! Does he not understand the meaning of the saying, “you learn something new every day”. And it’s largely true but not in the old one’s case, as he knows it all, already! Maybe we should apply the, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” saying as his true motto? So what have we learned there? That the daft old twat is too arrogant for his own puffer jacket and its mystifying zip!
He treated last night’s game as he would a Milk Cup tie as he thought his players, the irregulars that is, are only a fine slice poorer than the first picks! Well, Mr Wenger, rude awakening time they are not and sadly neither his what remains of his 25 nominated CL squad, nor was it ever going to be. We have learned from the result of poor tactics, the replacement of better players for poorer specimens that we are not quite as well prepared for this competition as he thought. He is found to be delusional and his judgement not quite as sharp as a limp jelly!
Giroud was totally I’ll disciplined last night TH to blame? maybe, Wenger to blame for his poor form? Maybe. His spats with the Ref were an attempt, by him to make his presence felt, one way or another. He certainly wasn’t having much effect when the ball reached him, with his head or feet, his elbows were quite busy though! He was an accident waiting to happen. Having said all that what he really needs are a couple of goals to rekindle his belief and confidence.
Finally. Wenger is a true believer in the Ajax of the 70’s philosophy, ‘Total football’ he believes every player he sends out can and will, if he says so, play in any position on the field, at any time in any game at any level. I think it’s one of the reasons we find so many players playing ‘out of position’ because they can, or rathermostofthem can’t! This creates real problems and performances are frequently sub standard!
Yes Mr Wenger you are to blame. The buck stops with you. The post match comments are excuses that are largely made up on the spot and are figments of your over active delusional imagination. The trouble is that we can see the faults and flaws in the playing strength and style etc. why can’t you?
Nice post agree with most of the points. The first goal for me was a catalogue of errors and i no way freakish. International players fail to communicate and ensure players are being picked up. OX switches off momentarily (seeing that with regularity recently) and allows his man to run off the back of him. Ospina comes out gets to the ball first but doesn’t clear everything out and retain the ball. These are international class players making basic errors. After that the sending off which is harsh but you could see coming compounds everything that was going wrong.
If by resting players was meant to keep them fresh for Saturday I will ask this question. What if we lose on Saturday, which based on previous games is likely, we will have lost two games in a week. I would have preferred to play our best team get the win in Europe and then switch our focus to Saturday.
A team, at this level, is the on-field manifestation of the manager’s ethos, tactics and judgement.
Last nights result, means no more rotation in this group.
Wenger cannot rest anyone now, or else he risks dropping into the Europa League…
Personally, I wouldn’t mind a run in the Europa League…
Away games in Azerbaijan, Siberia, The Urals and Asia Minor could be a lot of fun.
You know, a kind of Arsenal on Tour to the ends of the earth….
I know for sure that Lee and Adam would be up for a Beano and join me on trips to the lands that time forgot…
Anyway, I’m looking forward to the League Cup…
Not a drama?? Please don’t make me laugh……….it was a fucking embarrassment! Yet again, how much longer do we have to put up with this sub-standard bollocks!
So what causes these frequent drops in performance .Is it the wrong players or poor preparation.
Actually Wath, I’m totally with you…
Instead of stomping around, having a hissy, Wenger should have been proactive…
Two banks of four, Ozil up front, play out till half-time.
Then as you said, Theo and Coq on, Theo up front stopping them compacting the midfield, two banks of four totally focused on defending and taking a draw.
And maybe Theo nicks it 1-0…
Pragmatic, boring, cynical but effective…
Teams actually win the bloody competition playing that way…
What really pisses me off is the way opposing coaches predict us spot on. And they makeno secret of how they will beat us. And they invariably do. Arsena predictable and not world class?(a la Dinamo coach). Understatement
Kev, we were 1 down before Giroud got send off or should I start calling him Gertrude…?
Pragmatic isn’t in Wengers make up mate and agree totally with Adam, the team is a reflection of the manager.
Feels like we get lathargic when we have space and time on the ball in 2/3 of the pitch. We go no where and put ourselves in a short pass mantra, we slow our game and snap out of it too late once their counter attack starts.
Tai, yesterday was a post more about my feelings that we are never gonna win the CL with the team/squad that we have, I never for one minute thought we would perform as we did last night.
As Adam said last night after the game you look at the players and the effort and you think “complacent” it’s the first thing that jumps out at you…! 4/5 making an effort cannot carry the rest of the team and Arteta needs a duracell bunny next to him to graft and run around not Santi or Ozil. Wenger for being so clever and intelligent can be as thick as a plank sometimes..! We can see it so he sees it but he just ignores or chooses not to act upon it.
The problem is…Arsenal will do well against Chelsea and we forget again.
I was out last night, but found it hard at first to believe the result. But then realistically, not surprised at all. I’ve lost so much enthusiasm since that joke of a window. I’m tired of my own posts on here because its always saying the same thing.
Since Sneid went elsewhere and then that BBC twitter post at 12.00 on deadline day informing us that Arsenal had no active plans, it was just such a kick in the teeth. If AW, the Board, the Club show no ambition, why should us fans be up for every game and show such commitment?
I can take us losing, but not to have improved the squad over 3 months is just too much. Who will we put out to win the League Cup? Why has Akpom gone if no one came in. I’m just sick and disheartened and is why I haven’t posted here the last fortnight. Because however the majority feel here and elsewhere on fan sites, the club don’t give a damn.
I have to agree with Phil and really do think everybody is overreacting a bit about the nature of this loss and our inactivity in the transfer window. In the league we are on equal points with Man U after 5 games and really should be two points ahead of them as we should have one the Liverpool game 1 0. Yes it is easy to say we should have won a game but in this case had all decisions been made correctly we would have won despite playing 3rd and 4th choice centrebacks.
Everyone is saying we have had a terrible transfer window but in all honesty I tend to agree with wenger that unless a truly world class player is available we should have a long hard think before we sign anyone. Petr cech has had a huge impact and in the games he has played in the league we have only let in 3 goals. Two of which in the first game against wh when the defence had not had any real competitive matches together. Chelsea on the other hand shipped three in there last game regardless of them playing pedro who many gunners wanted us to sign in summer.
My point is that the only big team actually doing better than us so far this season is city who signed very well, arguably the three best outfield players signed this summer de bruyne, otamendi and sterling were signed by them. All of these players are the kind of players we don’t need atm in my opinion.
Let us wait til Saturday, if wengers large scale midweek rotation results in a win against the chavs wenger will be hailed as a genius again
You obviously don’t read here much marcus…?
Most on here are not moaning about a lack of a 70million pound superstar but please don’t tell me there were not players out there who would of improved the squad…!?!? three additions of 15/20 million pounds grafters players with fight and passion would improve the squad and as said earlier is there no one around better than Arteta and Flamini to cover for Coq…?
There is alsways an excuse for not signing players and quoting world class yet didn’t hear much world class fanfare when he bought Santos, Squillaci, Sanogo, Chamakh, Park what ever his name was…. to name but a few, how much was wasted on them…? All through this we have lacked players with fight and yet all Wenger prattles on about is world class yet we are not world class are we…? Look at the many players bought and you cannot tell me 5% of those would not of made us better..?
One thing is for sure I wont be hailing him as a genius at all…! Those days are long gone.
I think it’s high time we as fans we make our intentions clear. If we can’t do anything, then we should stop moaning.
This Wenger and Stan is bad blood in Arsenal.
Whether the team does well the next game or not that’s not what we want. We want our team to perform at all times. Not the rubbish we are seeing now
I don’t agree with Wenger out talk……one loss in the champo league away from home….. Wenger got it wrong Carzola should been rested for Arteta – Giroud for Walcott (made the right choice) Ramsey should of played with Arteta…. left and right back I’ve made the same change tbh players with a point to prove and good players in that… they need to look after themselves in mirror and put it right Giroud has been playing at the highest level now for years and knows not to go on like that.. Walcott will be up top for the rest of the season until Welbeck comes back and they’ll fight it out -Wenger won’t put faith back in Giroud now I mean Theo (who’s a right forward) is now ahead of an out and out striker I think his arsenal days are numbered… swap with Cavani plus 20 Mil? I’d snpa their hand off…
Big match is the Chelsea game – Le Couq makes a huge difference in this team and we will beat Chelsea with a Theo double… Cech to play a worldie!
I can’t be Wenger out after every lose… UTD same points away lose in the champo league no1 is calling for LVG’s head come on guys it’s early days… it’s also obvious that TH is now being groomed for the job just like Barcelona did with their last 3…. that’s worked out ok hasn’t it?
Dear Marcusgoon, I wonder whether Marcusgoon and Arsenal Wenger are one and the same?….Whether the answer is yes or no…but the point is we are tired of comparing ourselves to those that are doing bad. This is what we have been trained to think like… It’s wrong. Why bringing up statistics that are useless.
We need to be the best and compete with the best. Wenger lies will not take us anywhere. There is always great quality in the market which can improve our team greatly.
What quality does Wenger know?…He rushed and bought these people.. Santos, Squallic, Gervihno, and others that he resold again….is that quality. If those players were quality they would still be playing for us.
I am sick of this nonsense. Wenger is useless and too old to have any ambition
Think you missing the point Steven, those on here for the most part not saying wenger out based on last nights result it’s not that knee jerk at all…! Most be saying it for a while for a number of reasons.
Yes Coq makes a huge difference so what wasn’t a Coq mark 2 not bought in the transfer window as back up… Complete negligence..! for the record, not just the manager in my opinion the whole lot of them, staff, scouts, buyers, board and owner..!
There’s a complancy born of privilege right across the BPL. Three out of four CL defeats shows that.
Croatia has a tiny population (5million) and has been a top football country for the last twenty-five years.
Giroud was very unprofessional.
GM all, Good post Wath.
There was no player available in the last TW to improve this squad, we can’t compete with CFC or Man City because of oil money, the pitches across Europe is too good to produce good strikers, good player don’t fall from heaven, the opposing team is too committed, the referee had a bad game, we were unlucky, we forget to take the handbrake off, shut up and support the team …………bla bla blaaaaa.
Oh Dear AW, the entire DZ team cost approximately 13 million pounds and they were more committed and organized than your bunch. Ospina and JC could have been sent off. OG 12 red card was the right one. The only refereeing mistake was the 1st goal might have been offside.
Moussa Sissoko and any 1 of Mario Mandzukic, Alvaro Morata or Paulo Dybala could have improve the team, but because of player loyalty we are stuck in moderation.
Call me akb or whatever but my argument was despite Man U liverpools and Chelsea’s lot of 20millionish signings they have still done worse than us this year and apart from Chelsea, last year too it does not make logical sense to say these signings will necessarily improve the squad as it has been this way for a few years arsenal buy close to know one whereas other big teams make about 5 signings why are Man U, Chelsea and even Liverpool not leagues ahead of us?
I bet you no else will lose to Dinamo whether at home or away in our group. We are definitely not going to come out tops in the group and hence likely to play a tougher team if ever we qualify for knock out stage…
That will be the end of our story in the Champions league in 2015/16.
Now Steven and Marcus, in your opinion is this how we are supposed to compete year in year out?
Obviously we get involved in a competition to win, where is the winning spirit.
And who told you guys that early points in a competition do not count?
We can’t afford to settle for nothing anymore!!!!!
Marcusgoon – Proper preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance.
Why fans like yourself can’t compare arsenal with the teams across Europe that are successful? Why can’t you draw reference to a team like FCB who has won the treble, had a transfer ban and yet still strengthen their playing staff? Isn’t it more positive to copy success? The limit people will go to defend AW is a disgrace.
Marcus, the fact is it’s not just this one transfer window its 2 or 3 that we have not done the right thing, many will say we brought in good players and class players like Santi, Alexis and Ozil and yes they are but they were still not enough because the squad was so poor to begin with.
Instead of going on about other teams to justify why we are not good enough why don’t fans concentrate on our failings and then maybe we may get somewhere. The expectations lowered so every little positive is jumped upon and lets point fingers at others…! I quite frankly couldnt give a rats what the other clubs buy I just know we have a shit load of money in the back we get fed a load of old bollox from Wenger and the club and yet our squad is lacking and has been for years, amazingly we’re always that 1/2 players away from being good enough to compete properly. I’d say 2/3 but thats being pedantic. Many of the average sides in the prem lge have bought very well it’s not just the chavs and oilers we need to look at as I said it’s not all about superstar signings at all but it suits the argument to stick up for Wenger and or the club to say look at A,B and C who cost X and have failed…………..
You have to be in it to win it and if you don’t but a tkt you can’t win either, we are on the outside looking in far to often and we have a bank full of cash..!
WHY………….?
Afternoon all
OG cost us, Arsene made too many changes and underestimated the opposition. we have some dead weight in the squad for sure.
I understand the frustrations, and tactically we were too slow to adjust to adversity. In Sport , you get these scenarios and a few changes can sometimes get you back into the game. We as a team should have showed more bottle. The Croats wanted it more. We were under par and made them look good.
I have to agree with both WATH and Phil here. Yes a loss is frustrating but better we get the wake up call now rather than later on. Its just a game , sure, but like WATH mentions earlier, and the genral consensus here is we pay top dollar for dross like that, are misled by the board, and act like thrifty shop Macklemores 99c in the transfer window. We could have improved the squad for sure, and i don’t buy into the crap there was no one world class.
Arsene should drop underperforming players and play players on merit. I understand the rotation part , sure, but what competitve football has flamini or Arteta played in 6 months…C’mon …Debuchy is a good squad player,but has been usurped by Bellerin and on evidence , Jenks at the Hammers is better. We have players like Akpom out on loan, who could have done a job last night.
Campbell got 25 minutes football. This guy was a star at the world cup.
Walcott is not the answer upfront , but form shows its he that should be picked ahead of OG. 2nd time OG has let us down with a stupid sending off.
Another moan is this, if you are the captain of Arsenal football club, grow a set and speak up. A true captain would have had a word with OG and told him to calm down , or let the bench know OG is a liability.
Gdna, Argue your opinion don’t call someone a disgrace just because they don’t agree with your opinion of Wenger please…. It’s a thin line I know but refrain from calling someone a disgrace just because they still support the bloke.
I still think he’s the right man for the job and the start of the season isn’t the time to get on his back that’s all I’m saying I’m equally as frustrated but we need to get behind the team until the end of the season (ES can be a very gloomy place! what was our recent home record? a lack of appreciation from the season ticket holders really frustrates me when clubs like Stoke & Leicester etc create a 12 man and Liverpool in Europe away from home the fans are amazing the miserable attend home match day) the point I’m making is us as fans have a reasonability to get behind the team (whatever team turns out) Booo at the final whistle if it wasn’t good enough…. failures in the transfer market are a concern but we don’t know who Wenger went for and failed… plus I don’t want us to be a Liverpool or Spurs and buying for the sake of it but not actually improving…I don’t think you’ll see that same 11 out for arsenal this year in any comp unless injury’s force Wengers hand..
I worry what life at Arsenal will be when life after wenger occurs…
How you doing George…? Well I hope mate.
We have no one in the side that craps all over others and as someone said where is the communication to talk and tell players to pick up and go with runners and cover etc etc.. they all walk around gormless…!
All is ok here in Dubai WATH.
don’t know what was worse for me last night ; the date with a Hot American chick that was gassing all night about her ex BF , or the Live screening of the game opposite me in the Sports bar we went to.
This team needs an @ssh0le to rile some of the fairies we have wearing our shirt. Lack of leadership from top to bottom at Arsenal for sure.
We only seem to sign gentlemen. A bit of passion and commitment would have been nice last night.
I should have been scoring like the Arsenal of old, and instead got left with a 200 quid bill, and walked home alone before seeing Walcott grab a consolation.
Steven, the Board has the very same fears as you re Wenger it’s why they let him do what he wants cos they don’t the balls to be proactive either…!
Who is saying sack Wenger now…?
What was the last home game you went to..?
I think the home fans are sick of being fed the lies and paying through the nose…!
Did you get value for money when you went of did you feel short changed…? Difficult telling people how to support when they the ones paying the money….
I agree no booing through the game at all but then again when the board don’t listen how else are fans supposed to get their feelings across, yes it defeats the object to a degree as is causes player issues as well but as I say what else…?
It’s definitely not cheap in Dxb to eat out and have some Doris rabbit on abt her ex…. you shld of made excuses about stomach cramps and got out early mate…
Agree re players with fight and steel, add three Ray Parlours like I said last week and we would of won last night plus others not pulling their weight would of got crapped on as well which is how it should be, we just a soft touch and have been for years n years..!
As ever we see that a lot of tourists show up and make the support of the club a divisive issue. I can tell you that the crowd have got behind the team this season. Look at the amount of away support they had last night. Whether you think Wenger is the right man for the job or not surely comes down to the way he is evolving this team and the way the club is shaking off the burden of the stadium debt to take its place at the forefront of European football.
Yes, there is always the classic dilemma that affection for what Arsene has achieved in the past is blinding many people to what he is achieving right now. Results speak for themselves and leave no ambiguity but Gazidis has assembled a team of business professionals whose job it is to secure the players that Wenger wants to strengthen the team. If we knew what these people cost the club it would make our eyes water. The argument that there were no players available throughout the 3 months of the close season that could have improved the squad is so silly and so spurious that it really doesn’t warrant a reply. Go and believe that if you wish.
Last night was a disgrace and an embarrassment but, again, if you choose to believe that it is ‘just a defeat’ then fine, believe that. Wenger has taken us on a long path to where we are now. That is the place where we have to play an ageing Arteta, after a huge injury lay-off and Santi in the middle of a very lightweight and paceless midfield away in the world’s premier club competition. Not good enough. Patently so. For those blaming the ref. Yes, he was a pratt who has become a suitable scapegoat but Giroud has form for this silly hot headed, macho and unprofessional behaviour. I remember him getting shirty against West Ham last year when, after a lightweight tackle that I believe may have ruffled the precision of his whiff, he jumped up and nutted the opposition player to get himself sent off. We scraped through that game and it deflected attention from what a touchy dickhead he has become. But, then again, as many here know, I have never been able to really appreciate his finer points.
If the team is not going to get the investment to really push on then Wenger is the man to tread water for another few years with his one-dimensional brand of football but, if the club really wants to challenge then they are going to need fresh ideas and serious money invested at the sharp end?
I got done! what made it worse was the chavs on the table next enjoying each goal against the pony Maccabi outfit.
we are indeed soft touches…3 Romford pele’s were needed…and we got jog back ozil, cantrun nomore Arteta and Biggirlblouse Olivia being a Diva
Now is still early days, we can’t compare to teams that have over hauled their squads and we have cohesion or whatever word Wenger used to justify we should win the league.
We should worry about end October – November when the starting 11 has played 95% of the games every 3-4 days and these subs from last night cannot be trusted.
This is when the league positions tell the story and we get our most injuries. It also co incides with when the new recruits find their feet but that’ll only be for the opposition this year.
https://youtu.be/_gwRO3yIZ94
Would be interesting if someone could tell me Zebregs record signing just to put things into perspective !
George, the wake up call was West Ham on the opening day !
To reach the CL proper last nite they had to play teams from Norway, Luxembourg and Albania, bet they wish they could play us every week.
We can’t claim Wenger is the best for Arsenal, its wrong. The man has stayed long and what’s the ratio to what he has achieved. We need to look at efficiency…..the man is not.
And let’s not have the fear of the unknown.
The man should go…someone efficient will come up
Seriously I feel for the away fans. Sorry scott and tai but wenger needs to fuck off. Enough is enough. He can’t carry us any further. We lose to teams a we should be smashing. Anyone but wenger right now. I ll even take Bruce Rioch back. Wenger out now you french cnut.
aaaa Micko…. We need a wake up call in every competition…we are too complacent
and the players and everyone at the club doesn’t care as much as they used to.
Goonster.
How’s it going Stan?
Howdy adam am just tired. I have “arsenal apathy” right now. That tight wad has succeeded in killing my mojo. He needs to fuck right back to france. Now I know why monaco fired him all those years ago. Fuck off wenger just fuck off. We ve had enough.
How’s Mrs A adam?? How is she doing?
Not sure why George but the game last nite got under my skin more than any other for a while now, the same ole shit over and over and over again.
The triple substitution smacked of desperation, is that the first time Arsene has done that in his 19 years at Arsenal…..I wonder.
Poor fans braving the cold balkans weather. Paying through their noses to see the arsenal only for the French twat to come up with a classic masterclass on how to lose a game. Only arsenal ll lose to a team that haven’t won a competitive CL since like forever. Wenger out now.
I agree with you 100% Simon I have been an Arsenal supporter since as far back as I can remember
the word GUNNERS always meant something to me and was proud to be one of their supporters,
but I’m afraid our team have been firing a lot of blanks these last few years, as a club they have
everything, wonderful stadium 60,000 + loyal supporters ,magnificent training facilities plenty of
money in the bank ect: ect : what more could a team want ,the answer is ,most definitely a proper
football manager, a man football through and through and I’m afraid that’s one thing we haven’t got
what Arsenal have got is a so called manager called Arsene Wenger and in my opinion and the opinion’s of thousands of Arsenal Supporters is he couldn’t run a raffle Wenger is very clever with words I liken him to a politician they cheat and lie to their supporters and when they have finished
your no wiser. The only ones that can do anything about it is us supporters ,The strongest thing
about any team is it’s supporters because without supporters there is no team,so lets make The
Board of Directors, Shareholders, Management,ect: ect: aware of our feelings if that fails lets all
Boycott the home games for three months ,hit em were it hurts most their Pocket..
“THE BIGEST ASSET TO ANY CLUB IS IT’S SUPPORTERS ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT,
UP THE GUNNERS OUT WITH WENGER THE SOONER THE BETTER.”
Steve, for ppl to boycott games means nothing much as the club already has all the season ticket money in so it will just reflect poorly on the team and affect the support through the game.
The club don’t care about the fans and for every fan that doesn’t go in as they are annoyed there seems someone happy to take their place and spend 90mins on whatsapp talking to their mates or talking selfies
Stanley. We are well mate thank you. Mrs A sends her love to you and Brianna. Me too mate. It’s like being on a ship in a storm supporting Arsenal these days. Up and fucking down like a yo yo.
You can say that again adam. I can barely face my manure supporting mate. It’s all depressing lately.
Cheers adam brianna is done fabulous. Walking and all. She turned one a few months ago. A real handful adam 😀
*doing fabulous *
Stan. I am very pleased to hear that mate. Mrs A too.
Micko. I agree. After their goal went in and that twat Giroud had got himself sent off I just thought that we have seen this movie so may times before. I am a little sad to say that I felt numb with a cross between irritation and apathy. Yet there was this tiny thing in my mind that prevents me despising Arsene as so many clearly do. It’s like watching The Great Escape many times and always being disappointed when Gordon Jackson says “Thanks” when wished good luck in English. You wish that, just once he would say “Danke Schoen. 🙂
Adam a team is a reflection of its manager. Mourinho is a cnut and a winner hence his teams steam rolled all opposition before it unfortunately ours is a wimp and a sore loser so it’s rubbing off on the team. We need a new gand adam. I watched ozil break into the scene at bremen after Diego left. Santi can’t even shot to save his own life. Mertesacker has borne the brunt of our fans criticism and trust me you can’t be shit and play for the German national team. We ve players come and go but the constant is wenger. Our players aren’t shit….Wenger is. End of.
*hand
I can relate to that Adam, a bit like Frank Sinatra in Von Ryan’s Express lol.
Wath, my apologies. I was just referring to the excuses, not him as a person.
Micko, doesn’t he fall off the end of the train? 🙂
Dna word up bro
Hi gdna.
Evening wath and the house
Have we a manager yet????
New
Wenger gained total control of arsenal when david dein left. Keith elderman said we had 100mil to spend and he was got rid off.
There was always money to spend.
Wenger pushed for the stadium
Wenger decides everything
He had the final say on the employment of Gazidas
Wenger has become larger than Arsenal football club….Unless we supporters do something about this….we will forever moan and Wenger has nothing to lose…..
We have to do something………and that has to be now.
Good to hear about Brianna Goonie. My granddaughter is a walking talking baby doll and has developed a sense of humour. She has just got into the two s and runs around more than a lot of our midfieldersite.
Potter 😀 I bet she ll run rings around flameta 😀
How are you my good man?
Me I am fine. The hip is easing and mobility is getting better. Don’t think that I will be running the marathon anytime soon though.
Ogban don’t be surprised that coaches find us easy to predict. Anyone that stands on the terracesite can predict our passing usually two passes before they happen.
Hey I was going to ask about the hip. Good to hear your getting better.
Potter Zagreb’s coach post match said we were so predictable. Everyone and their mama can beat us these days. I don’t care if we have messi and ronaldo starring for us. We ve lost that fear factor. We are shit.
We’ll be just as predictable on Sat as well…!
Adam, Goonster what up ma bro’s. Hope u all good. Apologies for the late reply.
Dna it’s understandable. You know how it is 😀 wath you said it buddy. We ll probably get an early goal and still lose the game. Typical.
Wath, I honestly think Arsenal will win on Sat. 2-1. Alexis & OG. Just to buy AW more time to make more excuse. (Mental strength/cohesion)
Am sick of wenger. I ve known him my whole life. He’s been arsenal manager since my early teens now am almost 30 (29 on Sept 22nd). He needs to go. No more excuses. Just fuck off now.
Goon, what’s going on at AFC?
Dan I ll bet you a 100 dollars that maureen ll trump like le specialiste on Saturday. Not in the side of judgement day. Not when le scrooge is still coach.
Goon. Lol
*Dna
“History is repeating itself again .at Arsenal
Arsenal are nothing if not reliable. Every year they finish in the top four, every year they come second in their Champions League group and every year they get found out as soon as the last 16 rolls around. The pattern is so well established it has almost become one of football’s immutable laws. A new season always brings with it renewed optimism but this was cruelly crushed after just one game of their Champions League campaign. A dismal 2-1 defeat to Dinamo Zagreb means any small hopes Arsenal had of topping the group ahead of Bayern Munich have been snuffed out. Their home form should carry them through but second place is the best they can hope for and if they get a tough draw, a sixth consecutive exit at the last-16 could compound their reputation for knockout ineptitude. Karl Marx said “history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce”. He did not even consider it might happen six times. “
Again, I write my opinion: Arsenal do not have enough players.
With Welbeck injured for several months, available Wilshere two months per season, intermittent Rosicky, Flamini and Arteta has no rhythm, Campbell always out of options and Mets already in decline, how many players do we have? 16-17 players (with Campbell and Mets) with 2 gks (!!).
With the overload of games, more game selections, trips, games temperatures above 20 (as yesterday), two games a week as possible?
Neither a selection for a final phase of a European or World Championship has fewer players available!
It will be hard to understand this? That idea “pilgrim” is the acquisition? We need a good block 16-18 players (including 2 GK) and a set of players 4-6,preferably young and ambitious.
Dna AFC died a while back. What we have now is arsene fc.
Goon. Everytime the club gets a bad result to put him under pressure, the next game he gets a big result and gets more time to punish the fans.?
Goonster, no need to apologise to me, bud.
Wenger is going nowhere though, so I should be apologising to you 🙂
Nothing changes until The Yank goes, and I am Still surprised on a daily basis people think merely changing managers will alter the direction and culture of a football club.
Only getting rid of the big man can do that.
Yes, people say that it’s Wenger who’s the big man, but do any of you honestly think Stan will bring in a manager to replace Wenger and allow him to splash the cash?
Could anyone believe that??
Stan out.
Then, and only then, can things change.
Spot on JM…..
I am off so take it easy you lot.
Scott that’s spot on , you only have to look at the record of the other teams he owns to realise his motives are not connected to winning anything.
Potter, Arsene facilitates the mans “ambitions” and that is without question, but as I keep saying, if Stan cared a bit about the fans, he’d demand Wenger do what’s required to win or else.
i wonder how well we’d do if he was given this ultimatum.
Pigs might fly though as there is no chance of Kroenke asking for more than a regular increase in share price. I had hoped that by bringing his son on board youth might have changed the desire a little but it seems he is no more than daddies puppet and the board is as inactive as ever.
Scotty oz this is not about funds or new players mate. This is all about tactics and pragmatism. He lacks both. Yes kroenke is a cnut but a better manager ll have won the league 2 seasons ago when we led the leage till xmas. Wenger has lost some questionable games like gala in the uefa cup final, Birmingham in the carling cup final et al. That’s not a mark of a good manager. George graham won the uefa cup and almost went the while season unbeaten too with crappy players and less resources. Scotty oz wenger is the problem not stan!!!
If he was so “super” how come no other club wanted him in europe after monaco fired his ass. He had to go to japan!! Japan for fuck sake. Look am sick of people saying wenger tansformed arsenal’s fortune on the contrary we gave him a lifeline to launch his flagging career back on track. Wenger needed us more than we needed him back then. He met a cracking backline probably the best in europe plus he met DB10 too. The ground work was already there for him all he needed to do was just coach. Stan kroenke or not wenger needs to fuck off end of.
Goon, AW is finished, watch the next manager wins the CL, something AW will never achieve. ?
Stan, you miss my point.
Until Stan DEMANDS success, how do we know???
Out the man under pressure because until then we are guessing.
That is the responsibility of Stan so it is his fault.
Also, forget when George Graham was around as the quality of football back then was average compared to now.
Tony Adams would look as slow and cumbersome as Mertseacker does today because the fact remains the game is much, much quicker, more technical and diving is so rife.
Different time, different game.
Graham is old school and would fail dismally today.
Wenger was fresh when he arrived but isn’t now.
I’m not suggesting we keep him long term.
All I’m saying is we do not know who truly is to blame and we won’t.
Not until all cards are on the table.
Exactly scott that’s why wengers day has set in the sun. Garry monk might not be everybody’s cup of tea but give him that arsenal team and the freedom wenger has and see the difference. We might not win the league in his first season but trust me we ll eventually and play some cracking football too.
https://youtu.be/UQDULgLXwBs
Our finest hour in europe and guess what it wasn’t with wenger. Transform the club my ass.
https://youtu.be/bQmO3S2eLPE
Can Wenger mastremind this??? Win a league at Stamford bridge at the last day of the season??? Because that’s what loserfools were to us in the 80s. Folks act like we weren’t wining squat till wenger showed up. See how fired up the lads were. Look at their faces and look at ozil carzola and walcott and tell me these current guys can win the league at bouremouth!!!!
Stan, will the Yank let us be successful???
That’s the big question.
Scott with the yank we ve won back to back fa cups. Yes the twat face bastard don’t give a toss about winning but I still maintain that a better coach/manager ll bring the best out of the current team. I mean santi came here 3 seasons ago and was scoring scorchers from 30 yards now he cant even score from 5!! I mean how ridiculous is that. Wilshere was asked after he scored two identical goals why he doesn’t score more goals like that?? His reply was “at arsenal we tend to play more”. What’s that all about? No plan B we just pass the ball around like a pack of dry imbeciles. God am so angry.
https://youtu.be/kQZkCZdNbwY
I couldn’t find more videos of him while at Malaga or Villarreal. Bummer.
https://youtu.be/jEd0q0yBqHc
Did the yank tell Wenger not to strengthen the team in the last window?
Were funds available for Wenger?
Wenger is the person that thinks the price of players is exorbitant yet is happy to earn nearly £9m p.a….
Good morning all,
Stan is a business man what he wins is money, as long as he makes money he is fine. One thing I understand about these business people is that they are not afraid to invest and I don’t think Stan is refusing to release the money.
On the other hand its any good manager ‘s ambition to win games and to win trophies.
The problem is Wenger, he is arrogant and stupid too. I wonder why people call him clever? You can even tell from his responses that those are lies and he can not fool anyone with those lies anymore. That’s being stupid!
The only reasons why he gets away with those useless thoughts of his is because there is no direct one on one with fans or pundits, otherwise he is useless and with no direction at all.
If you have watched our games where we have gone one man down, we have always lost….apart from last year’s game. He can’t change tactics….he can’t adapt to the other teams strategy? What is that?…Dinamo has clearly exposed him that he is rubbish….RUBBISH HAS TO DUST BINNED!!!!!!
Morning All
Morning Wath
It’s a warm, sunny day in London Town, on this, the first day of the Rugby Union World Cup…
West ham was the last home game I got to Newcastle away the last match (the difference between the fans behavior is huge)…. a lot of lads I know who at the home games constantly (I work around the country so can only get to half the games)
The board are scared to push Wenger but can you name a manager who you’d prefer who’d come to Arsenal? and has achieved in the last 5 years?
something needs to change the likes of Flamini and Arteta will be leaving the season and however else we’ve got floating about and I have no doubt we’ll invest well in the summer…
Wenger come out today and said he got it wrong Wednesday…. I couldn’t agree more
Morning Lee, Simon, Steven Kev and all…
New post up now..,
Let’s just say Wenger out and be done with it:
You re all right and I’m wrong.
Easy.
Call me In Ten years when Arsene is gone and Stan is raking in the cash.
I cannot believe you all ignore the impact Stan has.