Well if the rumours are true and the tabloids have got it right for a change it looks as if we could be signing Sami Khedira from Real.
Firstly my concern is that since the world cup the bloke has hardly kicked a ball as he’s been injured, are we merely looking to replace Diaby with yet another injury prone player..? Why if Wenger is looking for central midfielders did he not buy a proper one in the summer like we have been crying out for..? Why does he always procrastinate and come up with his usual excuses as to why he did not strengthen where he should have?
It seems that we are in a cycle of all knowing what the team needs, listening to the hot air from the club about buying quality players and only buying better than what we have and then when we miss out on players and fail to get what we need Wenger tells the world that we need those players that he failed to sign..?
Does he take us all for idiots…? Is he involved in some kind of power struggle within the club that he will not buy what’s necessary because he is to stubborn to have to admit to being wrong..?
A blind man can see the weaknesses within the squad yet Wenger continues to ignore them and at the same time tell us that the quality players are not out there. If these stories about Khedira are true then why did we not buy him in the summer why wait until January is it just to try and save a few quid as usual..? The club talks the talk about competing and being a European footballing power but we really do act two bob so much of the time.
I think the fans deserve way more than what we getting and if another player talks to the press about getting better or being better in teh future I am going to scream, maybe they need to shut up and get on with playing rather than talking….. Then again the club seems to be very good at just talking.
Have a good day.
Khaderia do we need him now ?when we can not win the lge out of the cc we may need him to finish in the top 4 or d fa cup we would not win the cl either
good post and its taken a while for some but lets face it, the guy is well off the pace and needs to be put out to pasture. (and has been for a long time in truth) A Bridesmaid driven by nothing other than his own ego now and making the American and his family richer, while pocketing huge salaries for producing a team that fails at EVERY big game hurdle. So want rid of him but what else is new. The FA should charge him also for raising his hands to Mourinho – must be hard being so totally dominated by someone so clearly above your league when it comes to getting results and the think the salaries of the clubs are on par… dear oh dear Mr Wenger
Morning you lot,
Oz, for me the money in the bank and the excuses for not buying the right players coupled with sticking with players clearly not good enough is just beyond excusable now. The more rope he has the more he is hanging himself. We have the absent owner who is happy to carry on as is like a rudderless ship and we have the basis of a very good team but year in year out we all look and say yes we’re close but we still 2/3 players short…… How long has that been going on…. Also how long have we had a weak spine in the side..?
Howdy again, Wath, it’s not just a weak spine in the team..
haven’t said this before for fear of reprisal but if i am totally honest mate i don’t think they are as good as many would like to think – look at the last Chelsea goal as an example, school children standard from both of them and we’ve seen it so many times. Jack?? Where was he?? Ozil, oh thats right poor sod was asked to play on a wing excusing his total lack of interest 90% of the time. Flamini? Wellbeck? Schez? really? Either the Wenger cancer has got them (we better than anyone realises) or they are not really as good as we supporters would love to believe. That goes for 90% of this squad IMO. Flatter to deceive every time. They all mouth off and all embarrass themselves at the big games. It’s no big deal because the man who brought and plays them will offer the lame excuses season after season. Part of me enjoyed watching Costa and Cesc stuff it up his ego filled ass and than is so disappointing. To me these are dark days of dictatorship by ego money driven tossers, who care not for the fans that spend their last bucks supporting the team they love.
well said oz @10:26…. yanks out.
Bring back Dein, and buy some height and power in the middle accompanied by a left winger and a right winger…no more no10 big time charlies. Furthermore, drop chez…Give Ospina a chance
I believe he is just following the prescribed route, travelled for centuries by successful men in many walks of life from politics to business to military leaders. First comes the success followed by the tributes. Then comes more and more success. Although you are doing what comes naturally everybody is constantly telling you just how great you are. You think “It must be true. I am really, really special. Everybody says so”. Time passes. You start to age a bit and new, often younger contenders come along and the World is changing before you, but you don’t, or refuse, to see it. After all, this is what you have always done and it was successful before. People try to whisper in your ear that you will need to change. In ancient times you would have them killed but these days you either get rid of them or completely ignore them and to show how right you are you become even more entrenched in your old and traditional ways. There is nobody whispering that “All glory is fleeting” in your ear. You are on the way to becoming a full dictator now and the world you operate in in that of your own creation. You hear the ‘voices off’, but plough on. Rebellion is brewing so you throw a strop. These people don’t deserve you so you grow more and more stubborn and veer towards the masochistic.
And then, all of a sudden, it’s over. Why didn’t you leave when you were ahead? There will be time enough to look back. The story is as old as time itself.
Cesc (the man we didn’t need) now has more assists than the entire Arsenal team – good call professor – mind blowing incompetence but hey there is still well over 150m in the bank!
Adam – for me this has been going on for years, i am glad the bullshit excuses are now finally gone and we see the football manager for what he really is. Your are right, he should of gone quite some time ago, i was preaching this in the minority 5 years back, even got banned off 1 or 2 sites for my views. His ego is nothing new and neither is his arrogance to everything around him.
I feel disenchanted with Arsenal at the moment. There are no surprises. I’m not optimistic. Wenger and the gang have ruined a good looking summer. 2 wins out of 7 in the PL is disgraceful.
Morning all Btw and thanks Wath, nice post
Oz – hi mate. I hear what you say but think there is a way to go yet. These things have a momentum of their own. I feel curiously detached by the whole thing actually. It hurts me greatly. In fact it kills me inside, but I have come to terms with it.
Sort of.
George, i used to think DD was part of the solution, but i think he was responsible for bring “The Syrup” in the first place, i may be wrong though.
In retrospect Adam it’s been happening for longer than we care to think or imagine…. It’s not just us but football in general and the utter cnuts it’s attracted as owners that have become the scourge of the modern game.
That should not detract a manager from his targets his job and the way we wants to build a team but it most definitely does. Amazing what a few extra grand in your wage packet covers up…!
Adam as i have mate – i listen to them all and simply smile more often than not now – and to think a few years back their were those preaching Wenger to be in Fergusons class, wait till he has the money they cried – never on your life. A man who took complete advantage of a situation brought about by incompetence. He laid a stranglehold few in this game have ever enjoyed. Untouchable regardless, and made himself a fortune in the process, clever guy.
You know, there is a lot of yelling from Arsenal fans, but not always good reasoned arguments on who to buy vs who not too. Fortunately things are better debated here on HH.
Some fans want to jump in and buy any breathing playing with a big $ sign. Last summer, on HH I was against Draxler (overpriced, not proven), Khedira (high wages, injury prone and good but not great: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/13764/History/Sami-Khedira
And I was for Fabregas – but not a lot of others on HH were – variously calling him over-rated, past it, a late season fader, another Judas, not needed, Ozil better etc. We needed Fab, but we missed that boat and strengthened a rival. I was for Costa too, though not as strongly. What Chelsea have is quality AND power. Lots of HHers still think height, size and power dont matter. They do, though obviously not at the expense of quality.
On the DM, how about we give Wenger some CREDIT for not buying Khedira, when the rumours were that he would. We wont buy him because of his injury record, as much as we might like to have him. Better choices would be Carvahlo or Schneiderlin.
Bt, your right with DD, he did make the first contact with the syrup and his ambition was to be Chairman of the club, he saw Stan as his ticket to do that after his big falling out with Danny Fizman.
bt62 what i never came to terms with was much of the reason the board fell out with Dein was because he believed Arsenal needed investment and found the options. “We don’t want his sort around here” remember that? That was aimed at the American who now owns their ass and didn’t even have to pay for it at the time!! – amazing story no one would believe if put in a story line.
Roger, We definitely missed a trick not getting Schneiderlin or someone similar and as usual it has come back to bite us in the arse and we only 7 games into the league season. So many fans are happy to console themselves by saying we now have an easy run til Xmas, how pathetic, does that sum up the expectations of fans that they can deal with not beating the better teams but should roll over the lesser sides… What a joke.
Oz, the DD falling out was way more deeper and complicated than him saying we needed investment….!
Wath, wenger has missed that many tricks, in fact he even seems to revel in telling us about them now a days. Like that proves anything but further inabilities?
Wath i know mate but him and the russian were both touted by Dein and necessities for the future much against the board wishes. It was a huge fallout topic. Anyway, history now i guess. Wenger certainly grabbed his chance, that is one thing there is no doubt about.
Oz, true mate, as Wath eluded to, DD wanted to be Chairman, would it have been any different if he had succeeded? ..I doubt it….The syrup would still be there and calling the shots, he has a plan which he won’t deviate from.
2 wins out of 7 is relegation form. The fact that we have lost only once masks a deeper and more worrying trend. A trend of dwindling results and poorer and poorer displays, rather than improving progressively.
I’m far from ambivalent where Wenger’s concerned, but I’m increasingly losing patience with his style of management. Once, as Adam alluded to, he was top of the tree and we all worshipped him, then came his vision of a grand new stadium in which he could send marvellous teams out to play beautiful football. We got the stadium but not the players, we had to cut our coats according to our cloth and the performances declined. Now it seems we have turned the financial corner but sadly the stubborn one has lost his mojo, in fact he lost it several years ago. We all noticed but he kept on getting us to finish at least fourth year after year and so he was not punished for his shortcomings. He reckons that we can compete with the oilers and the Russian Mafia clubs but we don’t, not really. Even when we pay oodles for world class players he spoils them by playing, not to their strengths but to their weaknesses! Madness, stubbornness, mindlessness and carelessness.
It’s time he took a good long hard look at himself and his achievements of the last few years and maybe take a step back from the daily coaching round and let the younger, fitter more enthusiastic coaches at the club have a go. Wenger might even prolong his tenure by releasing power and delegating his over taxing responsibilities to others on the staff. A slow and gradual handover of the reins would be progressive in the long term future of the club, both on and off the field. And we supporters would applaud him for his wise withdrawal from the front line.
Chez reckons we’ve made a good start considering our tough start to the season… Does that not highlight the apathy within the club and acceptance of mediocrity…. Someone please take this dickhead and kick him in the bollox and tell him you get fuck all for coming 4th…. No will to win no winning mentality summed up perfectly by our keeper who also seems to think he way better than he is…!
morning all, havn,t posted in a while,busy,busy. just a thought ,for the ones that didnt like the idea of wenger bringing fabregas back to the club,surely must now admit they were wrong. class is permanent, and he would grace any team in england, For wenger to have 100 million in resources and let him go to chelsea,Just because he was to stubborn,simply proved to me that wenger puts himself and he,s feelings before the good of the club. And for those pathetic arsenal fans who boo,d cesc, must remember, Cesc would of came back to Arsenal in a heart beat.The only person they should be booing was standing on the touchline,having a spat with mourinho,thinking of himself again.
” in a cycle of all knowing what the team needs”.
A very long cycle that seems to have started when Gilberto Silva hurt his back !
Managers have to have big ego’s and determination but Wenger seems to be driven by a need to prove the rest of the world wrong and I don’t think it’s done him or the club any good. I know some people still don’t trust Dein, but to me he did have a partnership with Wenger that worked and I think that since he left Wenger has been a much poorer manager.
Wath on chez, how about this for Wengers proclaimed world class defence? ….
Laurent Koscielny and Wojciech Szczesny have been revealed as the biggest penalty hazards in the Premier League – with the Arsenal duo having conceded the most spot-kicks in the top flight since 2010.
Statistics show that Gunners defender Koscielny is the worst player at committing fouls in the box – having given away seven in four years – while his Arsenal team-mate, Szczesny, is not far behind, with six spot-kicks to his name.
Guys, I just read all the comments, and too many were laced with insulting views of other HH members, which is disappointing.
“So many here thought….”
“Plenty here still think…..”
Well guess what, we are all entitled to an opinion, and if it goes against your beliefs then so be it, but you can offer an opinion without insulting others.
I honestly do not remember a single person saying Cesc was over rated or past it, just that he’d acted like a spoiled brat and questioned why we should take back someone like that.
Oz, you even stated part of you enjoyed seeing Cesc and Costa on show!
Don’t ever claim Wenger is arrogant after that comment, as you’ve allowed your own ego to over ride your support of the club…..but at least you can say you told us so.
What’s happening here?
We all know what’s happenibg and do not need to be told AGAIN.
Tell us how it can be fixed and that will be worth reading.
Don’t bother telling us to sack Wenger because you know it isn’t happening.
Steve – agree obviously
I don’t think in Wenger’s eyes he sees Khedira as a defensive midfielder. I seriously do not believe he wants one. His thoughts are only on a deep lying play maker who he can alter to become a shield in front of the back four which is why not signing Cesc baffles me. Despite every ones reservations Cesc is good enough to play in any position in midfield. In my mind not getting him was a vanity project. The man was scorned and has the spite and control over the club to act out his recriminations . I would not be surprised if he does bring in Khedira and then gives Diaby another contract gets shot of Flamini and uses Arteta or Rosicky to fill in should they both get injured together. The man is a legend in his own lunchtime ,Myles Palmer calling him the Professor went to his head , he sees himself as a paragon of all things good in football like a knight in shining armour when in fact he is more Don Quixote than Ivanhoe. I can’t see Arsenal moving forward again until he has gone . It’s a shame that in my final years as a match day supporter the club has gone full circle back to where we were in the early 60’s when we were always there but never expected much and were happy not to lose to Spurs every year. We have the clout to be able to prevent slipping to the depths and I don’t see us fighting relegation as we have before but in many ways, should we finish out of the top four, it is a kind of relegation in it’s own right.
Dublin, i’ll hold my hand up, i hoped the money would’ve gone on a top class Dm and Cb, and also the fact we had Ozil. I was wrong, i don’t know what AW is doing to Ozil, I didn’t have a problem with Fab, always maintained pre Ozil, if he was available and we didn’t buy him, that was me finished with Arsenal…..
scott – nice twist but unfortunately you left off the bit about how disappointing that was to me so hardly an ego victory is it? As for other stuff you wrote, nothing has been said that wasn’t fact from what i can see, so is it insult or simply stating facts? Many of his ardent regardless fans, are why is his still there. Hopefully a real wind change is upon us and that goes for all of them.
We are shot while the yank is in charge.
Wenger or not, Stan is our main handbrake.
Who ever said Cesc was no good?
Who here never criticises Wenger?
Nobody.
Then again, that was never going to happen.
Scott – i am not sure of that either. Lets say a manager does come in and makes it clear what is needed a Klopp as example. Would Stan simply say no? Hopefully soon we’ll find out, my guess is Wenger will give him the heads up he is off and Stan will go shopping for a buyer… won’t have to look far will he?
Potter. Those are strong words but it’s hard to disagree with too much of it.
As for myself I am passed playing musical chairs with who we could play and in what shape, formation or position. In the true scheme of things I have no relevant criticisms to make as nobody in a position to do anything takes any notice anyway. But it hurts me when people slag Wenger off and pull him apart so regularly. My heart tells me that the club need a change of direction and I can’t see how this can be achieved with Arsene at the helm. He has had years and years to adapt to the realities of today’s PL but I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to why he should stay except those tinged in nostalgia. I get that of course but my eyes tell me a different story.
Adam – good post, i agree
Oz, of course I can’t say that is fact, it’s my opinion.
Stan is scum.
One thing nobody can dispute is Wenger loves Arsenal and believes he’s doing right by the club.
Stan doesn’t give a shit.
Adam, most here were adamant Wenger should leave after the cup final.
Another question, how much actual personnel change do we need and how much is mental apathy? We know our players don’t mix it well in the big time and how often do we declare they seems disinterested or seem to have no plan. What would a Ferguson style get out of them? Or a Klopp or for that matter a Mourinho style.
Scott. They saw it as going out on a high I imagine.
Scott – Wenger is supposed to be an intelligent man if he can’t see he is doing nothing but treading water then intelligence is hardly one of his asserts is it, come on? He’s loving his life and why wouldn’t he – the safest job in football and a huge pay to go with it.
Adam, fair call, but most of us realised his time had come.
Just because I don’t bang on about him every day doesn’t mean I thought he was our best option, but I don’t see any value in sticking the boot in.
We’ve all been over this a million times, and unfortunately it won’t change for a few years yet.
Oz, my issue with your posts is you say the same thing every time you get on here so I’m just numb to it.
You detest Wenger.
We all know.
To be fair Scott, I don’t see people on HH getting too abusive about Wenger. That includes Oz. I think the main point that I get from his and other’s posts is a sense of rather sad frustration. When a supporter like Potter reacts to what sees at the club he clearly loves, it is very worthy of discussion. I take it seriously. Otherwise, what is the point of any Arsenal website, especially HH?
I see Digger, you coming on here and starting another ruck…
Typical, Rico on holiday and the place goes to pot…
Although without belief Scott, again i offered hope and positives through the pre-season, like many of us – sadly reality is back big time mate.
Kev, are you up and running?
Adam/Kev, I only took to task the comments directed at other members, and nothing more.
Nobody here is blindly supportive of Wenger,
We are all aware of his failings, but again, I don’t see a thing changing while Stan is at the helm.
A new manager would change things and probably improve our onfield showings short term, but I doubt they’d get the support from above Wenger does, making their job harder still in the long term.
I could be wrong.
and as for your detest statement – egotistical, a spoiled brat, and second rate tactician and sore looser, one eyed, a poor man manager with more excuses than any manager i have ever known yes but detest? Bit strong mate ha! 🙂
Oh and hiya Kev 🙂
The Only positive I took from the game was Jose getting pushed around by an old Man and showing what a gutless little shit he is!
That was pure gold 🙂
Hi Scott, when Fabregas was up for sale, plenty (i dare say the majority) on HH were not in favour of signing him. Noone said he was useless (and I never said anyone did), but there was a strong movement for not signing him for the various reasons I mentioned at 11:12.
Basically he was not rated highly enough by a lot of us – and probably not high enough by Barca too.
Plenty questioned why Barca were selling him, Roger, and suggested an attitude problem was the issue.
It’s my opinion that was the case and the same issue was why Wenger wouldn’t take him.
If true, I still don’t have an issue with it.
No doubting his quality but we won bugger all with him and a few other spoiled brats, yet won an FA Cup without them.
Chelski is a club made for egos and tossera so maybe he fit right in.
Why would Jack brush him TWICE knowing full well Cesc wanted to come back and Wenger didn’t take him?????
scottfromoz, My point was alot of people,including on here,said that wenger was right not to bring back cesc, to which i just cant see any justification in wenger,s decision, and feel through he,s stubbornness and downright spite, We have lost out on a player who wanted to come back and would,ve improved us. Cesc or Ozil.Jesus we could of had them both, On this one He was wrong.
Another thing,I wonder how many of us secretly hope we do finish outside the top 4, but are afraid to say or admit it. Just to see does it change things at the club.
Roger. That isn’t the way I remember it at all. I would say that, after Wenger blanked him and he went to Chelsea, there were some who rather snottily said that we didn’t want him anyway. Most of the members here, that I know personally, thought it was a mistake then and that it remains so. It’s all water under the bridge now though and our problems go much, much deeper than just Cesc. He has just become symbolic of our current situation perhaps.
No way I’d ever hope we fail in any way.
Anyone refusing to play for us should never return, imo.
dublin – my point was, he’s better than what we have and is proving that again. Why would we not bring in an opportunity like that was my argument. What he’s doing now just makes it worse as it further highlights what might be another Wenger error in judgment.
hmm Scott, lots of people had their own angles on why/why not to buy Fab.
My angle on why we needed him was that he is versatile, scores goals (was once our topscorer!), is better than Ozil (no problems with Ozil though), and would be a massive upgrade on Rosicky who is soon to retire.
My angle on why we didnt buy him, is Wenger thought that will Ozil we’ve spent enough on that sort of position, we have sufficient quality there, and we have other priorities where money is better spent.
I think the reason Wenger didnt buy him had nothing to do with doubts about his quality, attitude, wages or passion for Arsenal.
glad you said that Adam, that is my recall as well.
Adam, I’d have taken him back if the theory was wrong, but it seems it was true, so no, I don’t want him back.
Of course, if it comes out it was due to something else, then id be disappointed.
It’s not being snotty, it’s not wanting a snotty player.
Everyone here knows I rate effort and endeavour over talent any day of the week, and that never changes.
Agree Scott, I never want to see us fail. Ever.
I cant wait to read Arsenes auto biography as it should answer some questions.
I wonder how he will come out smelling afterwards though.
what was questioned in Ozil was his inner desire. It was said by others including Mourinho he is not the easiest player to manage – I think we’ve all seen why now. Wenger has adamantly defended him to the point of the ridiculous at times, not working though is it?
Biographies simply tell one side of the story mate, look at Fergusons, very different to some opinions e.g. kean and beckham.
Oz, my thoughts on Ozil are someone different to most.
He is too smart for our guys.
He only plays at his best when guys like Aaron and Theo play.
Oh, and playing Central helps.
Yeah I somehow think Wenger would enjoy letting the truth be known, not that plenty would accept it though.
Scott, his version of the truth..
rogerbij, He didn,t bring cesc back because he had other “priorities” To which he never addressed, Mad management. As a supporter since 1978, I dont want to see Arsenal fail, But hell i want to see the board fail, and if that means 1 season out in the wilderness, could be a good thing, to wake this board up.
correct bt62, the backer is hardly going to say now look Wenger, its about time you owned up to your little games in this book, quick sign here!
Fair call, but that’s always the case, I guess.
Still, a good read to be had, I reckon.
Dublin, if we miss CL football, I reckon he’d cut spending, so not sure how that would help.
I’m off, much to the joy of some hahahaha
Kidding guys.
Have a great day everyone.
I agree that Wenger loves the club , and I believe that his relationship with Dein was so good because he did also. The other protagonists in our boardroom saga I don’t think did. Fiszman was in it for the money , if you know the story of how he came to the club it’s fair to surmise that he used Dein to gain control and then stabbed him in the back. Hill Wood and Bracewell Smith ? it was family inheritance . their shares came through their families and although they wanted the club to do well , their interests were not on the pitch so to speak. Dein wanted to drive the club forward as any supporter would but his personal spat with Fiszman led him first to Kroenke that didn’t fit the old school tie brigade and latterly to Usmanov . Effectively Dein didn’t want their involvement he wanted their money in the club . When it was obvious that the share lock down scheme was faltering Fiszman realised that money talked and that Usmanov had a lot more than Kroenke but got torn between his love of the money and his hatred of Dein and chose to sell to Stan to stop Dein getting back into the club. Hill Wood went along with it because he saw that by selling his shares to Dein in the first place he had lost a lot of potential money and did a U-turn and backed Stan and then before he died Fiszman persuaded Bracewell Smith to take a lower price to keep Usmanov out and in the process freezing Dein from the club . That’s where we find ourselves today. A kind of rudderless entity with an absent majority shareholder that only really cares about his portfolio. A boardroom that is still full of the same old faces but with no capital interest in the club but drawing decent money from it but preventing an open dividend payment which would benefit the true supporters of the club that hold a few individual shares purely to not have to pay one to Usmanov who patently doesn’t need the cash anyway.In the meantime Stan shoves in a few invoices for consultancy and wanders off to Denver with a few million each year.
Why have I written all of this ? because it’s the way I see it. I can’t claim to have been a fly on the wall and know 100% it’s all correct but I have been around long enough to read between lines . Throughout the whole process I followed every pronouncement and read every article I could on the subject , I don’t think that I am far away.
We the supporters are reaping the harvest of a personal feud , The manager had his right arm cut off in the process , the club continues to make money but not seemingly to the whole benefit of the team on the pitch. I have recently retired and the escalation of cost to follow the club in person is getting too much . That’s not just The Arsenal’s fault , I blame Sky for that . But it leaves me feeling very low and bitter because I can’t see any change soon . Money has taken over the sport and it’s easy to blame Abrhamovic and Mansoor and their ilk but at least they speculate to accumulate . We got a leech and a sloth that only wants to see a level of consistency and take out rather than put in. Allegedly.
Scott, have a good one mate, the book will be a good read indeed and a very profitable one, at that.
thank you Potter, enjoyed the read mate
Scott – be good mate, later
Bt62 here’s one black duck that won’t be buying it – heard enough garbage from him already 🙂
Hello all!
Cesc is known for starting like a house on fire and then falling away later on… I don’t see that changing anytime soon. The next five games are going to be pivotal; we either fall away or push on. COYG!
P.s. my auto correct kept correcting cesc to cess, how apt!
Potter, an enlightening read.
Oz, didn’t say i’d be buying it….might borrow it, though..lol
I believe Kroenke is the problem ( I have been known to be wrong in the past). We will continue to face these challenges unless he begins to view the club as more than a means of increasing his net worth.
Cheers.
Care diem. Or should that be Carpe Diem? Who exactly says he is ‘known’ for that?
Guys, some have short memories re Cesc. Opinion was DEFINITELY divided on Cesc – this from just before he signed for Chelsea. Read the comments from this post: http://highbury-house.com/2014/06/01/remy-deal-agreed-cesc-on-the-verge-of-pl-return-sven-bender-linked/
Scott From Oz
June 1, 2014 at 11:03 am
If Cesc doesn’t come to us, it will because we don’t want him, or so it goes.
Still, I’d rather him playing in another league.
Scott From Oz
June 1, 2014 at 11:09 am
I try to weigh up the quality Cesc would bring against the potential unrest in the squad.
One thing even a dumb Aussie can tell is we have the tightest, happiest squad we’ve had for a long time.
ktr7
June 1, 2014 at 11:41 am
Good read rico as always.In my opinion its a NO to cesc.
snaparse
June 1, 2014 at 12:19 pm
morning to you all……nice post rico…….I can really say re Remy but I think he is a decent player and he can give us that bit extra…re cesc I don’t think he will be a bad signing just think its unnecessary to sign him when we have other pressing issue…
rico
June 1, 2014 at 12:37 pm
goonster, as I said earlier, Cesc will and is dividing fans opinion.
Bt62 Gooner
June 1, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Afternoon all, pace and power, early signings and some tatics please. Cesc a luxury, sort out the major positions of concern and then and only then look at other signings.
tsgh-The Hidden Hand
June 1, 2014 at 3:00 pm
AW won’t sign Cesc because CF doesn’t want to; I said the same before Yanited attempted their poor bid… Goonie stop romanticising football… lol
I will rather get Gundagon, Gabi or Koke…
tsgh
June 1, 2014 at 4:53 pm
definitely covering Rico… lol
Kt, sorry re Cesc…too many cooks comes to mind.
snaparse
June 1, 2014 at 8:15 pm
I don’t want cesc at all
or how about this comment? from the post arsene-backed-for-big-summer-spending-fabregas-griezmann-on-the-move/
rico
May 23, 2014 at 10:53 am
Fabregas is a sulky little git too, he’ll want everything played through him just like he used to..
We are a team now and there is no ‘I’ in team…
I really hope we don’t re-sign him….
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HOWEVER, lots of others were in favour (me, Kev, Goonster… probably missing some!). I just cherry picked the ones against to show that many regulars were against.
I didn’t want cesc back and stand by that… The only reason for me many are harping on about him is that we didn’t buy the powerful strong central midfielder that we are desperate for….. How many fans would be going on about cesc had we bought Schneiderlin or a Matic and they had settled in and done a job from word go..? Very few…!
The situation is exasperated by the fact he is doing well with the chavs and we failed yet again to buy the players we desperately needed.
Roger. Nobody said that opinions were not divided. It is the nature of bloggers to have crystal balls.
I was for it Roger , my interest is solely on the pitch . People can scratch each others eyes out all week as much as I care just as long they do their job playing. I still maintain that if you were playing pick up in the playground and you stood all of our midfielders in a line , you would take Cesc first.
Wath. People always cite what we haven’t got as the reason for our ills. I just don’t think it’s as straight forward as that.
If no champions league, meant the demise or abdication of a certain stan kroenke, it would be worth it, whichever way you look at it .I rather see some change than no change
Adam, maybe I mis-interpret your words from 12:37 then –
“That isn’t the way I remember it at all. I would say that, after Wenger blanked him and he went to Chelsea, there were some who rather snottily said that we didn’t want him anyway. Most of the members here, that I know personally, thought it was a mistake then and that it remains so. ”
Definitely there was divided opinions on it an thats fine – they are opinions. Im just not into people revising their opinions and then pretending that they held the same view the whole time – whilst saying that Wenger got it wrong again. (just to be clear I dont mean you Adam).
Hi Adam,
If you take a look at his whole season stats, you will get impressive figures If you look at his stats between November and March which happens to be the most important period in the race for the title, his performance leaves a lot to be desired.
Chelsea have enough depth to cover for him during this period so his regular drop in for is not likely to affect them too badly (although I fervently hope they are unable to cope during this period).
Will Arsenal regret not signing Cesc? Maybe, maybe not. Everything else is conjecture.
Cheers.
It’s carpe diem. Autocorrect strikes again. Duly corrected, thanks for pointing it out.
Bingo Potter, you were 🙂
Roger. I have absolutely no problem with people saying that they did want him back but now they don’t or the opposite. All I was saying was that HH was divided on the matter. As it is now. I think Potter’s 1.23 puts it well from my point of view but, as we are all saying, let’s move on. He plays for Chelsea and that’s the end of it. I also said, at about this time last year, that Costa could be good for us but was told that he would be quite the wrong player. This was where the ‘Costa is shit” joke started. We all have our opinions, but that’s all they are.
Carpe Diem. Yep, we’ll see sure enough.
off to bed thanks for the chat guys
Cheers Oz ,
Night Oz. Off out for a while. Later guys.
Roger, bingo you’re were right.
Night Oz….
I think the argument about Moronho being a better manager than Arsene is like comparing Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel during Schumi’s comeback. You had someone who was once the best using an inferior product up against someone with all of the best gear allied with the competitiveness to go with it. At their best given the same tools to work with I would still take Arsene’s best over Moron’s. I think Arsene has reached a similar stage to George Graham in his later years at the club. The more people criticised George for the teams negative style, the more negative they became until in the end he became almost a cricature of himself. Its the same with Wenger. The more he gets criticised, the more stubborn he becomes and determined to do it his way! Even though we all know its wrong!
Good comment Bob, Adam 1:23…. It’s not about citing our ills it’s about addressing weaknesses to give yourself a chance. We have failed to do that for years just on the playing side so when cesc comes along and we say no people then see that as an even bigger mistake seeing as we didn’t get a big strong defensive midfielder. Agreed it’s not all just about buying the right players it’s the whole package, the coaching the tactics the mentality and we seem to lack on all those fronts. Yes as Scott says we merely going over the same old stuff but that’s all there is to go over as we keep making the same mistakes, should we actually have to put up with three years of the same…? I would say no but the question then is how to change things and what action to take as fans to make sure the owner knows the fans are not happy.
What action can you take to let Kroenke know of unrest in the support. He is totally insulated , only comes to London a couple of times a year and is spoon fed by the board when he is here. If you could get all the known Arsenal fan clubs to march round Islington with anti – Stan banners he probably wouldn’t know unless it was picked up in the Denver papers and the chances are that he only reads the property classifieds in those anyway. Truth is until we don’t qualify for C.L and we go through a bad patch that impacts on the share price , we are stuck with him and whilst Wenger continues to bring home the bacon , we are stuck with him too . Very depressing..
Afternoon – Great reading – Potter, Bob John, Wath
Afternoon SYG, hope you well mate.
Potter, The mickeys got rid of the yanks that owned them… yanks don’t do bad press… far to much apathy with Arsenal fans always has been always will be…! The problem with trying to do something is your likely to get a ban from the club and OB etc etc….!
Even the questions to the owner manager and board are being vetted before the AGM… talk about sanitized…! They don’t do criticism to they…!
Potter, your 1.01 May or may not be totally correct, but I reckon you assessment of the ‘egotistical balls-up’ in the Boardroom, is pretty damn on the money mate…
A top top post…
Our present problem is not Fabregas…I’ll continue to say it till the world ends. Wath said it … it’s Wenger’s inability to bring in that DM that is now making Fabregas much relevant in a team that can optimally do without him.
We got Ozil…whatever is presently happening with him, he’s world class. I don’t see Fabregas keeping him on the bench. Ok…Fabregas position now in our team should be box-to-box…so what happens to Ramsey? What about Wilshere?
Why then do we boo players if we didn’t care about loyalty? While leaving Arsenal, Cesc made certain Barcelona paid peanuts…by publicly saying he wanted to go to just Barca and forcing it as well, Arsenal got just about half his true worth. Still, Wenger loved him so much to put that buy-back clause. The peanuts Barca paid wasn’t anywhere near replacing Cesc. While Arsenal suffered, Wenger hoped Cesc could come back. First year, he didn’t…second year, he chose to hang on even when it had become clear he made a mistake…then Wenger replaced with Ozil…Ramsey stepped up … Barca put Fabregas up for sale…and we all wanted Wenger to bring him on?
What about displacing any of Ozil, Ramsey and Wilshere that just won a trophy Cesc didn’t wait to do? If Cesc shared this love we’re expressing here, would he have gone to Mourinho and Chelsea?
Wenger’s stubbornness may end his career in disgrace. He left our team this season just two players short – that DM and a CB.
Now, a third problem is rearing up…Szczesny! Every day it becomes clearer he’s not the goalkeeper we all hoped he would be.
Yes…but passing up Fabregas has been his bravest decision…all he needs do – return Ozil to no 10, get that DM in January and fans start seeing why that decision was spot-on.
Hi Tai, afternoon Syg all,
Tai very few people would disagree that we need a DM and CB. I’ve been shouting along on that one for as long as I can remember (even if we dont all agree on exactly who we should buy for those positions).
But we were and are still divided on Fabregas. I would’ve taken him in a heartbeat, and this wouldve had absolutely no bearing on whether we got a DM or CB or not – proven by the fact Wenger didnt buy a DM or CB regardless after he didnt buy Fabregas.
Indeed we have Ramsey and Wilshere, but Fabregas is head-and-shoulders above both of them in my opinion. Furthermore, since one of Ramsey or Wilshere is virtually always injured there is a place for Fabregas in the Arsenal team any day of the week.
Arsenal fans took action many years ago and it worked but I can’t see it happening again somehow. There are far too many nuances to the whole picture now and way too many opinions on who bears responsibility for the state of the club today. Whatever that may be.
Roger I agree 100% with your 4:07pm.
Tai I have to agree with Roger on this , You seem obsessed with the either – or situation with Cesc and Ozil but it really isn’t that simple . The question is Cesc / Arteta / Flamini / Diaby / Wilshere and Ramsey. To me and a lot of people it’s Cesc . Get over the circumstances of his departure , you and a lot of others can’t get past it and I include Wenger and Gazidis in your group . Cesc joined Barcelona to play for Guardiola in August 2011 , Guardiola left Barcelona in June 2012 10 months later. Sandro Rossel wined and dined Cesc’s father and they persuaded him to stay but it did not work out under a few temporary and one fixed manager . At this point Wenger used Ozil as an excuse for not resigning him but as yet has to play Ozil in any position that Cesc would play. It should never have been either or , it should have been both and let the others fight it out for the other places.
Lee. I agree with your 4.47.
Adam I agree with everything you say…
Obsession, Potter? I rather think assuming Arsenal can’t move on without Fabregas is the real obsession.
Take me to task for one phrase but do you really believe that he is not a better player than the ones I listed and you can add Rosicky to that list as well.
Have a look at the mid/fielders at chelsea before fab came up,not exacting lacking were they,moureen wanted him cause he was better than he had.
Fab texted wenger and wanted to sign for us,wenger came out with some cock and ball story about no room for him and Ozil.
Wenger treets us like mugs,no one can tell me Fab is not top class.
The reason most of us let wenger off lightly is,
We all thought he would sign a strong mid/fielder or a decent centre half.
Good debate.
At the end of the day though, we don’t have Cesc, rightly or wrongly, but we do have Wenger, rightly or wrongly, so what do we do?
Love the Arsenal, as we always do.
Scott, so true mate, an emotional bond that can never be broken…
At the moment I can support the team on the pitch but love the club ? I am afraid not.
Potter, the club is more than Stan and Arsene though.
It’s the players and the fans……they are more Arsenal than anything or anyone.
Fred, your last comment was pretty bloody accurate, by the way.
We all were certain Wenger would bring in a DM, and if he had, we possibly wouldn’t be having this conversation today.
Scott I am having difficulty with a lot of things , I am still sore about your mate and the way he was treated and the fact that the club basically told me I was lying and to sod off. I don’t like the new wave chavy fans that are following the team away either , I don’t think that they are doing us any favours and I expect some bad reports from our trip to Anderlecht . It’s not the club that I grew up with they honestly don’t give a monkeys about their fans any more. As long as you turn up with a full wallet and empty it in their establishments they are not interested. After the Spurs game the bars were all closed after the match not even a Tea, coffee , Bovril available and the TV’s on the concourse turned off , you couldn’t watch any replays and let the crowd go down and stewards were trying to get you out of the ground as soon as possible unless you were at a counter buying a shirt or a souvenir . I am finding it a struggle to enjoy the “” matchday experience “”, It’s very depressing.
Potter, I can see what you’d be pissed off mate, I really can.
Its a money making machine, and that’s it.
Sport everywhere is the same now, and not a single sport is better off for it, imo.
Not to drag this out, but I enjoyed this.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=786929071364656&id=213516528705916
Scott. That’s a good one..
Morning all.
Hi, NG, I think it makes some same valid points.
Where is everyone?
Is it too cold to get out of bed 🙂
Was cold on Kelvedon station at 5:20am……….
Hahaha, I’ll bet it was Lee.
The Sun ain’t out, the sky ain’t blue, there’s shit loads of clouds to spoil the view and it’s raining……morning all…
Lol BT…..plenty to smile about then 🙂
Bt what’s happening brudder?
Lee wasn’t cold at 5:20am he was just getting home pissed as a fart……
I was coming home then the other Monday……
Animal 🙂
Morning Brudder, BT, Scott, Wath and all. Rainy here and nippy too.
Just read Potter’s 10.27 last night and have to agree.
Cold , wet and dank in Norfolk with a steady cold breeze . Still they don’t put windmills where the wind don’t blow. Now Scudamore and the clubs have stuck their heads up again and want to unbalance the league and re-introduce the 39th game in varying places. New York , Sydney , Kuala Lumpar etc. They say the money generated will gross each club approx £ 5 million each and as usual all the chairmen are in favour. .
In football it seems, more money always equals good.
Hi guys.
I think we all agreed with Potters 10.27, Adam 🙂
Games over here?
No thanks.
Imagine what it would take out of the players.
We’d all be happy with a pre season game.
Money……bastard of a thing.
Refreshing to read that Scott , In England it is just called the premier league but when we talk on sites such as this , others call it the EPL. The E of course stands for English and that’s where it belongs. I think the powers that be underestimate the effect that it would have . When they first mooted it a few years ago the conversations in the pubs before matches revolved round people saying that as soon as it happened they would lose interest in the game . There are many that boast that home and away they haven’t missed a match for a few years and suddenly a £ 1000.00 trip to the far east looms and we all know that the purpose will be to sell the tickets to garner new fans abroad.
Have you ever picked up a handful of sand ? Try to pick up another with the same hand and the first lot runs through your fingers. The “” EPL “” won’t be so saleable if the games are played in front of half empty stadiums .
God I am getting into rant mode lately . It’s time I went out a bit more , this retirement is boring.
Hahahah Potter, I’m always all about the game, and the Arsenal.
I’d truly rather visit you mob and watch a game than see one here.
Depending where I am talking, I call it either the League, or the BPL.
You have to speak the local language 🙂
Greed is an animal that’s always hungry….
It’s never enough for some.
Roy Keane’s book, from the clips I have read, seems to be funny in parts. A kind of tragi-comedy with a belligerent and possibly violent Irishman at its core.
Adam, is that a rare species 🙂
Scott. I believe so. 🙂
I’m sure hahahahaha
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