Who's to blame? Wenger, the players or both?

It feels no better this morning does it? In fact it feels worse!!

I could have checked my lottery numbers last night and found out I’d won the jackpot but it wouldn’t ease any feelings I have right now…

Something has to change at Arsenal and soon before we slip off down the table and kiss our season goodbye.

Yesterday was a gutless, cowardly and dire 45 minutes and it came against a side we haven’t lost to at home in the league in seventeen years.

We went 2-0 up due to sloppy play by the oppositions goalkeeper and defence and then we spurned chance after chance to put the game out of reach. Then in the second half we just hit the self destruct button.

The manager, well he broke up a winning defence to bring back Kos in place of Johan Djourou, big mistake which proved costly when yet again he gave away a silly needless free kick which gifted them a goal from the resulting free kick. Would Djourou got his head in the way of that cross? Yes, I expect so too.

Nasri, our best player on the pitch who was fired up for this game was taken off when we needed a goal, why?

Why did Wenger keep both Denilson and Song on when we needed a goal?

Why keep on a slow sluggish Cesc Fabregas who in my view kept slowing the game down yesterday and talking of which what is he doing for that free kick which ultimately cost us the game?

Where was Denilson when Bale was through on goal, side stepping away from the player, that’s where!

Why have we not got enough players in our side who want to fight for every ball, fight for the love of the club and ultimately fight for the shirt on their back?

What makes it all so so sad is that our fans will wake up feeling like shite, will Wenger? Will most of the players? I doubt it, they will still get paid won’t they and no doubt they will just brush it aside and think about Braga. Meanwhile we all suffer until the next time.

Who do you blame, Wenger for buying the wrong players to give us steel again, the players for the lacklustre show or both?

Wenger says some of the players were tired, well my answer is why play them then? We have Lansbury, JET, Bendtner, Vela all fit and desperate to play, why not pick them?

If Wenger won’t buy these players, is it finally time to find a manager who will?

Olivers match report will be up later….

128 thoughts on “Who's to blame? Wenger, the players or both?

  1. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 8:46am

    I still don’t feel better having got that off my chest!!

  2. Mukhtar sada

    November 21, 2010 at 9:09am

    Arsene is é culprit, his time is over, he wont buy é right players, always saying he has the best squad or de worst players ever in arsenal paraded 2 lose against spurs is ratherly lose 2 chelsea co’s they are paying their dept.ñ arsene should stop picking players he love than quality and committed once.

  3. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 9:17am

    Morning Rico I have to salute you that you were able to go back and think about the game am gutted Rico how? 2 – 0 then we still shoot ourselves sorry we have a problem and Aw got to fix it

  4. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:19am

    Morning Erick

    I’m absolutely gutted too, the manner in which we gave up was dreadful – wenger, well he needs to wake up, his tactics were dreadful in the second half after they made the changes…

  5. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:23am

    Morning Mukhtar, i think he needs to buy a few English players, and start playing a few of the london boys in the squad, they would have known what yesterday meant…

    Too many we have are lightweight…

  6. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 9:28am

    Rico Its hard to say what went wrong the first half was great then am not sure what went on :-( :-(

  7. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:33am

    We didn’t take our chances again Erick, Chamakh was tired from the midweek he should have been subbed for Theo, Denilson should have made way for Wilshere, and Nasri should have never gone off…

    JD, should have started too…

  8. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:34am

    Where was Vela again? and Nikki?

  9. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 9:42am

    Rico am speechless just can’t put a finger to it :-( we have the players may be the spirit is lacking :-(

  10. Douggie

    November 21, 2010 at 9:50am

    So many concerns it is difficult to know where to start. Sadly, a manager of any business cannot act in the childish and petulant manner that Wenger does when we lose. Squatting inelegantly on the pitch with his head in his hands is so pathetic that his bosses must have a word. What message is that sending to the players. What’s more he was tactically out thought by Redknapp of all people. No doubt Wenger will continue to believe we deserved to win and made more chances when the stats show that that is not really the case. He is permanently in denial and needs to wise up sharpish because we could end anyway from first to fifth this season.
    I know it’s been said before, but it’s hard to win anything when your centre halfs are Sunday League players.

  11. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:50am

    But the spirit has to come from the player Erick, if they don’t have it in them then we have the wrong players? How can they go from playing like they did against everton and wolves to how they played yesterday…

    maybe we were just lucky that wolves and everton couldn’t score…

  12. Judith Le'Strange

    November 21, 2010 at 9:51am

    After watching the debacle that was Arsenal yesterday, I think it’s time that Arsene Wenger resigned with immediate effect as he can no longer convince the players that we’re going to win anything and with him in charge the only place we’re going is backwards. We need a manager who can instill confidence in the players and buy decent defenders not over the hill ones who aren’t equipped to cope with the rigours of the Premier League. Sell Fabregas cos he no longer wants to be there as he knows we aren’t going to win anything with Wenger in charge. Personally I think we need a clear out of all the dead wood players and buy spend decent money then we can get decent players. Wenger has turned Arsenal into the laughing stock of the premier league

  13. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:54am

    Hi Judith, right now i feel the same about wenger, i also believe you could be right about cesc, yesterday all he wanted was the ball, usually his position was within metres of the team-mate who had it, yes he is a wonderful player but i also think he slowed our game down…

  14. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 9:57am

    Hi Douggie, that is what lets wenger down, yet again he failed to re-think when arry made his changes… i fell right now he should walk away but i would rather he just changed his approach and bought stell into our squad…

    i’d like to think that will happen in january but sadly i have little faith in that happening..

  15. Jockdownsouth

    November 21, 2010 at 9:59am

    Absolutely agree about Koscielny. I feel he’s becoming a bit of a liability with his fouls and cards in scoreable positions. Also Djourou at least knows how much this match means. None of Koscielny, Squillaci (who played better than Kos BTW) or Chamakh have played a home game against the marsh dwellers before. Did anyone bother to tell them how important it is? Where was the Vieira or Adams to rouse them out of their slumber? I think Nasri was actually a bit tired so his substitution was right. As usual, however, the substitutions came to late. Still feeling pig sick this morning!

  16. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 9:59am

    Calling for Aw resignation its a bit too much we are so close yet so far two world class players would do it for me :-)

  17. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:05am

    Trouble is though Erick, thats how it makes me feel, his changes were poor – But, saying that, I just wish he would spend some money on just a couple of gritty players who can win us games…

    Deep down i know there is no better manager than Arsene, just wish he could change his tactics to suit the game thats in front of him…

  18. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:06am

    Jock, goood to see you here..

    JD is becoming our best CH, he should have played, Squilli and him together have looked good of late.. why Kos came back yesterday i dont understand when we just had two great results…

  19. Rennie

    November 21, 2010 at 10:09am

    “What makes it all so so sad is that our fans will wake up feeling like shite, will Wenger?”

    Mate, at least U were able to catch some sleep, I bet my arse that Wenger wouldn’t even have slept at all!

    The 2nd half capitulation was all the doing of the ones on the pitch.. Where the hell was Song on the build-up to the 1st goal? Why would a holding midfielder feel so compelled to play near the opposition’s goal when his team is 2 nil up! There was no chance in a million that Denilson could have outrun Bale on that goal, but why he’d step aside & give him a free lane is freakin’ beyond my understanding!!.. And coming to the mother o’ all fcukups, what in the name o’ God has Cesc been smokin’ lately, puttin’ his hands up for that penalty! I’m not sure if anyone’s noticed, he now believes that he’s too good to play for Arsenal, never giving his 100% effort to the cause anymore. All you have to do is watch his 15min cameos for Spain to see where I’m coming from. He works his arse off to such an extent that U’d think that he works (effort+concentration) more in those 15 minutes than in a full 90 for Arsenal! How could one blame the defenders for that fiasco, when they have 2 brainless morons & one Mr.GoodyTwoShoes playing in front of them!!!

    If there is one gripe that I have with Wenger, is that I don’t understand why he repeatedly puts his own arse on the line for some of these indisciplined bunch of underachieving overpaid mugs @#(*#@!!!

  20. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:11am

    Hi all.im literally in pieces and this defeat will stay with me for years just like the Paris CL final.im so pissed right now!!!even the ball boy showed more passion than some of those players.i’ve never had so little faith in Aw but am afraid his time with us may end up being ugly.

  21. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:12am

    Welcome Rennie, good comment…

    Cesc has done it before and got away with it…

  22. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 10:13am

    Totally agree Rico he is the best and am sure he does see the weaknesses we will come back strong. I watched the Manc game Rico and to be honest we have a better squad and we can make it :-)

  23. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:17am

    Hi KT, you and me both….

  24. Gunnernet

    November 21, 2010 at 10:18am

    Morning all. I believe also in this squad. But anarchy is the problem. As you mentioned winning 2-0 at HT, overwhelming the opposite side in our home and still not respect them and storming like a bunch of headless chickens with everyone wanting to score is playground, simply unacceptable. Where was Song at their counterattack that led to the 1st goal? What did Denilson to stop the attack at any cost? Why are we giving away too silly fouls around our area, when we hadled every single of their attacks to our box yesterday? Why Mr Wenger didn’t pull out Chamakh after 60 min? He was totally tired, looking like a 90 year old granny waiting for death to come to change the routine? Class is there. Maturity, discipline not..

  25. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:18am

    Erick asked me if we could beat barça home and away and i said NO.this defeat showed us why.we have become big game bottlers.Messi has 101 goals in 153 la liga games.he has scored 61 goals in this calendar year.CR9 scored a hattrick yesterday just like messi to help their teams to 5-1 and 8 nil wins respectively.Henry used to do that for us but now we have chamakh cutting back when through on goal…did we move to the Emirates to buy players like koscielny and wait on freebies like chamakh?im so pissed and i don’t know if the players know how much it means to us to beat the scum.

  26. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:19am

    rennie, don’t you think sometimes he gets his tactics a bit messed up? Like keeping the captain on just because of who he is, regardless of how poor he’s playing?

  27. Paul

    November 21, 2010 at 10:20am

    You lot need to wake up to reality, too many gooners are still stuck in the Henry/Viera days. That team was head and shoulders above todays team and would never have caved in the way Arsenal did yesterday. Fact is there is no such thing as an easy game in the premiership nowadys and most teams are now aware that if you “stick it” to Arsenal they can’t take it. Also i’d like to point out the three yellow cards Arsenal recieved and there were at least two challenges, one from Fabregas that went totally unpunished. Makes Wenger look like even more of a hypocrite!

  28. Hadeel

    November 21, 2010 at 10:21am

    The Players
    they didnt play with passion and th worst player was fabregas
    When I saw him started losing the ball I Knew that we will lose

  29. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:22am

    If we had won the newcastle,brom and spud games we’d be 7 points clear…

  30. Gunnernet

    November 21, 2010 at 10:22am

    And now let me talk about Nasri. Yes i know that Gallas may be a scum and he is a difficult character, causing problems but Nasri’s desicion disappointed me yesterday. His denial has been disgraceful. Kid u are only how? 22, 23 years of age? And u act like u are a legend? No respect, no education, no ethical values. You are just a kid with loads of money. After all u are just a footballer aren’t u? IMO this characterizes all of our young players or the most of them. How do you expect discipline and focus from these self-overrated trapped-in-a-corp-stars?? I don’t want even to comment at Nikki’s statements. I know that many will disagree with me and moan at me but i don’t care. This is my opinion and it’s a fact..

  31. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:29am

    Morning Gunnernet

    denilson just watched bale, it was embarrasing …

  32. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:31am

    Denilson did the same with rooney last year…

  33. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:34am

    To think we were vermaelen away from a full strength team…

  34. Erick

    November 21, 2010 at 10:34am

    Kt right now we can’t even beat Almeria to be honest

  35. stevus

    November 21, 2010 at 10:40am

    The ingredients of this squad are, more or less, alright, but the head chef has long since forgotten how to cook. We had a similar situation in 1986 and George Graham jettisoned the superfluous, lazy, or past-their-best players, promoted hungry talented youths and added ONE new signing – Perry Groves, a squad player – for next to nothing. The same thing needs to happen in May – and personally I’m looking forward to that moment far more than any new signings. That can happen when the NEW manager has galvanised and analysed the existing squad, reminding it of its responsibilities and what it means to don the cannon.

  36. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:40am

    KT, just shows how up and down we are this season, a team like ours should have beaten both of them…

  37. Jim

    November 21, 2010 at 10:41am

    Arsenal win nothing and will nothing with this bunch of kids. We don’t expect the team to win trophies but the way they surrender is just shocking.

  38. Ayepa

    November 21, 2010 at 10:43am

    Am from Ug but felt like sh*t watching that game, where is vela? this kid is soo good but has not had the chance to prove it…..is Chamakh a striker? the lad cant think…….@##@*&***

  39. Bob

    November 21, 2010 at 10:44am

    It’s basic tactical ineptitude on Wenger’s part, and on the part of the experienced players. You’re 2-0 up at half time, during the break you reassess your game plan. You tell the centre halves, one of stays back for our corners, so we have a solid three at the back at all times. You tell Denilson, oi son, you’re playing in the premier league against one of you’re biggest rivals, stop strolling around like you’re out shopping. Fucking awful, naive defending. Wenger is never go to learn that if are you 2-0 up, the primary objective is not to concede, it is not to try and get a third.

  40. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:44am

    As we all know we lose 2 games in a row.we lose to braga shaktar finish top.we get drawn with madrid/barça in the KO while the spuds finish top to get copenhagen.we get KOed in the last 16 while the spuds gloat reaching the quarters…SORT IT OUT AW!

  41. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:49am

    Welcome to those all just joining…

  42. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:49am

    KT, if we don’t win our last two we could still not qualify….

  43. Jan

    November 21, 2010 at 10:51am

    It’s the same heartache season after season. It’s like a bad movie replay over and over again. Why don’t the mananger and the board just go the fans and admit that Arsenal is just a so and so club with ambitions no more than a CL club. A Valencia of the Premier League so to speak. Why do they keep saying Arsenal is aiming for trophies when everyone knows that we’re not good enough. If the board and the manager admit the truth, it’ll be frank but less hurtful.

    Birmingham fans never expect their club to win anything and they’re happy with that. We Arsenal fans can accept the truth as well. Obviously the Arsenal board think we Arsenal fans are stupid and can be misled year after year, season after season. Just tell us the truth and we can take it. The Arsenal board and the manager are nothing more than a bunch of liars.

  44. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:53am

    What happened to Aw?i miss the skinny newbie from japan…when 2 nil up we should have brought on theo to slaughter them on the break.i watched madrid last night transition from a corner to a goal with 4 passes!cesc slowed us down alot yesterday.

  45. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 10:55am

    Rico Aw is a legend but if he doesn’t sort it out he’ll be in for an ugly ending to his time with us.

  46. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:57am

    Its all got too easy for him KT, he knows the board back him regardless, he’s saving the club money and they love it.

    What narks me is wenger wa clearly angry about the goings on in the second half but he bought the players, he is the tactician…

  47. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 10:59am

    Welcome Jan, they will never be tat honest. to be fair, i think wenger believes in the players he has but he needs to shake them up a bit and drop a few…

  48. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:00am

    KT, none of us want that but his refusal to buy just one or two extras could be his downfall, we still need a great strong midfielder and an out and out striker….

  49. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:01am

    Aw said this is his best team ever…WTF?Let them win something before making bold statements that make you look like a mug.the invincibles remain heads and shoulders above this team and its up to them to prove otherwise…

  50. Jerry

    November 21, 2010 at 11:01am

    I think Aw has reached his peak and from now it’s all the way down.This season has been the same old story and it’s one kid after kid or free transfers.
    He doesn’t know how to nick a win ie play anti soccer.Birmingham withstood intense Chelsea pressure and won 1-0. Had it been Arsenal sorry Arsene the guners would have lost.
    To him football is an art and players must be allowed to express themselves ie roam freely /awol when the attackers come to score.
    I bet Mourino/ Maclish/Pulis would have detailed two defenders to stifle Bale who scored on one on one.
    Next stop AV.Believe me if the gunners lose,thats it.
    The gunners may thrash Braga and come down to earth with a thud against AV. What then?And with ticket prices set to rise,fans should turn the es into a white elephant. Then the bod will finally take action and ask Wenger to go upstairs.This is to put it mildly.

  51. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:04am

    Rico he is as hurt as we are if not more.in his 14 year reign he has never lost at home to them.i wish he projects his anger to the players in training.if it wasn’t bad enough the team bottled it with henry in the stands who never lost to the spuds.

  52. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:05am

    sack wenger??

    dont be daft we are third in table two points behind the leaders and we were 2 up at half time..

    the players threw that game

    cesc the biggest culprit

  53. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:06am

    and after a good start it turns out i was right about kos

    hes shit..

  54. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:08am

    I am sure he is KT but it’s his job to change things, show them the way and not sit throwing water bottles into the ground….

  55. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:09am

    Hi JonJon, if wenger could get it right we’d be way ahead at the top 😉

    Cesc is doing my head in right now, I’d drop him and play Nasri in the middle, at least he is up for every game…

  56. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:12am

    Hi jerry, wenger has more to give but he needs a couple of big players now to move us on again..

    What role has Song been told to play i wonder?

  57. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:15am

    wenger got it right yesterday

    we were cruising 2-0

    the team the tactics everything was spot on..

    then in the second half we lose a goal to a long ball allowed to bounce, a stupid handball and a hit a hope into the box

    what does wenger do about that????

  58. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:18am

    jj, i disagree a tad, JD should have started, he and squiili have just put in two solid performances and the side were winning, kos should not have been back in..

    second half tactics were poor…

  59. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:21am

    How the hell did kozzer miss that sitter?he did the same against the CSKA London.

  60. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:22am

    Wish Chamakh had been on the end of it KT, he’d have buried it….

  61. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:23am

    JD should have started??

    but the team that started was 2-0 up and flying…

  62. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:24am

    because he his spawn of cygan. ktr7

  63. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:28am

    Hi jj.the problem ir we had the chance to be clear of the chavs but we haven’t capitalised.when they get their shit togetheq they’ll be battering teams left right and centre again.we have arguably the best squad in the league but our players seem to need coaching to win trophies.when 2 nil up song doesn’t need to be told to stay back,denboy has to track the runners…

  64. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:33am

    weve had the same problem a while mate

  65. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:34am

    JJ we were flying and the spuds couldn’t handle us.i think the players let down Aw again as he must have thought they were mature enough to close out the game but they didn’t.how the hell the team that was cruising in the first half could catipulate like that in the second half i’ll never know…thats why i always say we need players like cambiasso in the team who can help in grinding out such games.

  66. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:34am

    imho yes jj, because when we needed to defend we mucked it up – but there is more to yesterday than just that..

    cesc is clearly not fit, and he affects the flow, the second half he was dreadful and wenger should not be afraid to take him off…

  67. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:38am

    cescs fit hes just acting like a petulant child

  68. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:39am

    I was invited to a party last night by a beautiful young lady but when she was handing me the invite i was shellshocked that i didn’t even listen to her.the players should know how messed up Arsenal fans are today and they ought to apologise.Cesc apologised after Spain lost to portugal but now it seems he is on a Mugabe lockdown.im like a zombie right now…i still can’t believe it.

  69. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:41am

    why’s he so bloody slow then jj??

    if he’s being petulant, stick him in the reserves

  70. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:42am

    I just read about Cesc appologising after the spain result, fat chance of him doing that for us fans KT.. his real club fans…

  71. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:44am

    Cesc has not been his usual self.he is moaning alot and commiting stupid tackles.if he continues in that manner it will be worrying for us in the coming games…

  72. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:45am

    cescs always been slow..

    hes never had natural pace..

    hes losing interest

  73. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 11:46am

    Rico he did apologise minutes after the portugal game…but not to the fans who adore him and pay his wages…

  74. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 11:48am

    Thats what i mean KT, he won’t do it for us…

    yesterday jj he was slower than ever, we shouldn’t play him though if he doesn’t want to put in 100%, Nasri is equally as good as him at the moment..

  75. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 11:58am

    we just aint ready for the league yet..

    we need to target one of those domestic cups or both this season..

    once those lads have a few medals they will start to learn to see the big pl games out

  76. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 12:04pm

    You are very calm this morning jj, i thought you be after sacking wenger, selling a few players and buying some real ones 😉

    agree re the cups though…

  77. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 12:12pm

    Rico im worried about jj.what happened to him?

  78. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 12:15pm

    Ha ha KT, I don’t know but I’m sure its the same jj 😉

  79. JonJon

    November 21, 2010 at 12:24pm


    im just getting older guys..

    nothing we say or do can change the result and to be honest its not rocked us that much..

    chelsea lost again and three points for us next match could put us top…..

    the league is wide open anyone can beat anyone and we have the best squad we just need to get a consistent run of that mental edge..

    we are doing it away from home we are impressive but at home we seem to relax too much and not do what we are supposed to be doing..

    after so long without a trophy id be happy for a top four finish and a domestic cup this season and so far so good

  80. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 12:41pm

    You’ll be getting pipe and slippers for Christmas next jj 😉

    guess its just frustrating to throw away another great chance to go top and the way we gave up against ‘them’ is so so wrong…

  81. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 12:47pm

    A lot of fans expect changes for tuesday but i think we need to be very careful, slip up in braga and things could go horribly wrong…

  82. oliver

    November 21, 2010 at 12:51pm

    morning rico…me too. feels just as bad a day later. somewhere along the line, the message about winning seems to have been lost.

  83. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 12:53pm

    Oliver it doesn’t feel any better this morning…

  84. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 12:55pm

    morning oliver, sorry about the ness up with the post :(

    it won’t feel better until we get revenge, even then it won’t be enough….

  85. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 12:57pm

    Rico this defeat will stay with me for years…losing to the spuds is one thing but the manner in which we lost was sickening…

  86. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 12:59pm

    Well, hell, folks. :(

    Soo, sooo gutted. The pain’s almost visceral. 😥

  87. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 1:00pm

    I meant, “hello”. Sorry, must be the typing equivalent of Freudian slips.

    But “hell” works too. This state of affairs is infernal.

  88. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 1:03pm

    I think ‘hell’ works just fine agag 😉

    Howdy to you…

  89. oliver

    November 21, 2010 at 1:06pm

    the result is only part of it. the players seem to have a collective attitude problem arsene seems utterly incapable of correcting. or is arsene one of the biggest problems?

  90. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 1:09pm

    Oliver these players are playing as if they are a placenta with Aw as the umblical cord.the expectant mother (fans) is 14 months pregnant in need of delivering…

  91. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 1:11pm

    million dollar question that one oliver, does wenger still have a motivating half-time talk in him??

  92. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 1:14pm

    popping off for a bit, walk time…

  93. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 1:15pm

    As well as can be expected for someone still reeling from such surreal results… Which means, I feel so absobloodylutely wretched.

    Hello, oliver and KT. KT, I completely commiserate. The way our players squandered the lead is beyond contemptible. I hate the lot of them right now.

  94. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 1:18pm

    I totally understand where you are coming from agag…

  95. oliver

    November 21, 2010 at 1:19pm

    once again, arsene was lavish in praising these players ahead of the match. perhaps what we see is a group of players who think they are far better than they really are, and are not necessarily prepared to put in the necessary effort and sacrifice. if arsene does not want to publicly criticize, neither should he praise in the fawning, obsequious manner he does. we probably shouldn’t be surprised our players no longer play for ninety minutes. after all, they are arsene’s best ever squad. seeing games out properly may well be beneath them.

  96. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 1:20pm

    Hi agag.the manner of the defeat is unforgiveable…

  97. oliver

    November 21, 2010 at 1:21pm

    hi agag and k. what is done is done. we are all hurting. i am not so sure all our players are.

  98. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 1:32pm

    I’m not proud of the fact that I was ashamed of our team last night. But I was. Right now, I’m just incensed. 😡 How dare f-ing they?? They knew what they were up against, and they had the temerity to feel like a two-goal lead was license for them to coast through the second half? Unbelievable.

  99. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 1:36pm

    The spuds wouldn’t exchange that win for the CL…Thats how much it meant.kozzer and chamakh had never played in a NLD and you could tell they were not told how much it meant to us.Adams would’ve eaten chamakh alive for checking back when through on goal in such a game…

  100. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 2:58pm


  101. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 3:13pm

    Rico you know who your boo should be directed to…

  102. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 3:14pm

    We are a cleansheet magnet with JD in the team.

  103. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 3:17pm

    More than just the one boo too, KT..

  104. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 3:28pm

    KT, i still don’t understand why JD didn’t play, he and Squlli have been doing real well..

  105. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 3:28pm

    Rico we can only hope the players know how hurt we are.

  106. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 3:37pm

    Ricn JD and vermy look like a future partnership.JD was playing so well and it hurts to see him benched.JD is first choice even in my video game.i was raped by drogba with squillaci/kozzer bouncing off him in my video game.since then JD has been a colossus earning MOTM against the spuds.

  107. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 3:40pm

    JD is the tallest of our CH, he’s fit and on fire and deserves to play – with his ariel advantage and TV’s ‘get stuck in’ attitude, i can’t wait to see them play together..

    But, I do think its Squilli that has helped JD, he is a calming no nonsense defender, may not be the best but….

  108. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 3:42pm

    Wenger does i think but as for the players, English ones aside, i doubt it…

  109. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 3:48pm

    Rico Aw looked pissed on the touchline.im sure he is very hurt by that defeat…JD is a cleansheet magnet as he wins most aerial duels.squilli is experienced but i wouldn’t start him against villa.young and agbonlahor will have a field day if he starts.

  110. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 4:07pm

    So would you start Kos with JD KT, he needs to work on his tackling….

  111. K-TR7

    November 21, 2010 at 4:19pm

    I would start kozzer and JD.Kozzer needs to improve his tackling or else he’ll get booked alot.

  112. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 4:22pm

    Hola! Still very angry. (Sigh)

    Kozzer’s last two games have been appalling. :( Maybe, it is time to restore JD to the starting line-up. I hope some of the players read the blogs. They need a rude awakening!!!

  113. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 4:23pm

    Its also the stupid free kicks the oppo get from them in dangerous areas too KT, look at their third goal, free kick hoofed into the danger zone, fabianksi feet rooted to the ground and we were out jumped…

  114. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 4:59pm

    agag, have you been following Lansbury on twitter today? has he had much to say about the game…

  115. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 5:00pm

    what they need agag i wouldn’t post on here, i’d get myself banned ….

  116. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 5:09pm

    rico, nothing from Lansbury, Cesc or Wilshere on the game. I haven’t bothered to check Denilson’s. Why should I? 😡

    They never learn. They say they will fight blah blah blah. Do they??

  117. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 5:12pm

    The way Denilson watched Bale score infuriates me no end, lazy and good for nothing *&*((*^%%^!!

    I still don’t get how eleven players can just change so much in a fifteen minute interval

  118. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 5:14pm

    I bet Lansbury been told to say nothing, i bet if he played agag he would have given a lot more, as would Jet and Jack….

  119. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 5:23pm

    It was just shocking. How could they? I wish the young(er) ones played. They certainly seem more enthusiastic about our club. I’m sure the players “care”, but I am equally sure that they don’t care nearly enough.

  120. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 5:28pm

    You know, Lansbury’s picture on twitter seems to be the one where he scored v. the tots.

  121. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 5:36pm

    Spot on agag, they don’t care enough… i love the photo of that goal Lansbury scored…

  122. agirlagunner

    November 21, 2010 at 5:59pm

    Now, that’s enthusiasm. I wish Cesc still remembers the feeling. :(

    I am off, rico. too much vodka + too much cake + too many rubbish players do not go well together. :(

  123. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 6:04pm

    I think Cesc is gone agag, if not in body, he’s gone in soul and heart :(

    Rest well, nighty night….

  124. rico

    November 21, 2010 at 6:41pm

    Catch you folks tomorrow, be good and stay safe…

  125. Rennie

    November 22, 2010 at 9:39am

    Hej Rico, I do accept your view that he gets his tactics messed up (a lot) but U 4get his underlying vision of playing attacking football.

    Wenger’s mentioned a few times in his interviews that he always gives it a lot’o thought before he takes off a player who in his view is more classy than his replacement. That is he hesitates to take someone as talented as Arshavin or Cesc out of a game even if they are not playing so well coz he believes they are capable of pulling a rabbit out of the hat at any moment in the game & thereby create a goal. That’s why he never ever takes Cesc out of a game unless he’s broken a leg or 2 & similarly only substitutes Arshavin when he’s run his arse to the ground.

    The only other player he believes to be in the same class is Van Persie, but lets face it he’s hardly ever in contention. However, I do think that this season he has put Nasri in that bracket, so that’s why Theo is finding it so tough to see some playin’ time.

  126. Rennie

    November 22, 2010 at 9:42am

    So I think that it’s not that Wenger doesn’t like defensive tactics, it’s just that his idea is primarily ‘Offence as the best form of defence’. Naive as it may sound, he wants to keep the opposition pegged back in their own half so that they see as little activity as possible in front of our goal (remember our tactics in the unfortunate loss at the bridge), & that also explains why our defenders always play a very high line regardless of the quality of the opposition!

    But the bloody problem is these tactics require real discipline & concentration throughout the whole 90, which most of our players seem to lack!!

  127. Rennie

    November 22, 2010 at 9:44am

    It would be quite awesome to see our boys mix it up depending on the situation/opposition, but Wenger clearly leaves this to the players on the pitch to read, realize, and adjust accordingly. That’s why we never see him shouting out commands to his wards from the touchline (a la Benitez/Maureen), but we do get to see him face-buried-in-hand very often when he’s not getting what he expects from those on the pitch.

    Wenger’s still waiting for his team to mature in this aspect, how long is he prepared to wait?.. HOW MUCH MORE LONGER ARE WE!

  128. rico

    November 22, 2010 at 9:51am

    Morning Rennie, I have just put a new post up and have copied your three comments onto it, press the home key and see you there..

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